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Oldest Koran ‘Destabilises’ Islamic History, Scientists Say It Pre-dates Mohammed
Breitbart ^ | August 31, 2015 | by Nick Hallett

Posted on 08/31/2015 11:22:54 AM PDT by rdl6989

Fragments of an early Koran found in a Birmingham library may rewrite Islamic history after carbon dating revealed they could be older than Mohammed.

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To: vladimir998; rdl6989

There’s nothing surprising about this. Islam is a syncretic religion, a fabricated synthesis of the different religions circulating in the ME at the time: Judaism, Christianity and paganism (hence the moon worship). Basically, Mohammed realized that military conquest of the surrounding peoples was not enough, and this new “religion” was thought up as a way of supplanting their old pre-Islamic conquest cultures and making them totally subject to him.

Mohammed took certain aspects of ritual law from the Jews, certain figures (such as Mary) from the Christians, and lots and lots of things (including the meteorite in the black cube at Mecca) from the pagan religions. It’s very possible that he also came across some kind of text fragments, probably of gnostic origin, that he also incorporated into it or perhaps that even gave him the idea.


21 posted on 08/31/2015 11:34:53 AM PDT by livius
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To: NorthMountain
Mohammed is a pig-raping, murderous, larcenous pedophile currently rotting in Hell.

I was unaware of the pig part.

22 posted on 08/31/2015 11:35:05 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (http://www.freerepublic.com/~jeffchandler/)
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To: rdl6989

Atheistic researchers have been attempting to do this with Christianity for decades. Every two years or so a new “gospel” is discovered which throws t h e whole Christian belief into chaos. Big early headlines give way after six or so months to a tiny “never mind” on page 54 under the used car classifieds.


23 posted on 08/31/2015 11:35:12 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: rdl6989

Mo’s Minions will not be pleased.

Probably have to destroy it as it’s “unislamic”.


24 posted on 08/31/2015 11:35:21 AM PDT by chrisser (This space for rent.)
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To: NorthMountain
Mohammed is a pig-raping, murderous, larcenous pedophile currently rotting in Hell.

You forgot plagiarist!

25 posted on 08/31/2015 11:36:52 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Our troops over in the sandbox report his present-day followers doing unspeakable things to goats. And boys. And each other.

Maybe I should have left out the pigs; that’s pure speculation.


26 posted on 08/31/2015 11:37:17 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: rdl6989
The dating reveals the text to have been written between AD568 and 645, while the dates of Mohammed’s life are traditionally given as AD570 to 632.

This just suggests it was written down during his lifetime. I think they have always assumed it was compiled after his death.

27 posted on 08/31/2015 11:39:17 AM PDT by marron
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To: rdl6989

I predict Birmingham library will burn down in 3, 2, ...


28 posted on 08/31/2015 11:39:47 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: livius

However disreputable, he was very good at what he did.

Like Lenin.


29 posted on 08/31/2015 11:40:32 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: rdl6989

So, it would appear that we can add plagiarizer to the mad paedophiles list of crimes?


30 posted on 08/31/2015 11:41:39 AM PDT by zeugma (Zaphod Beeblebrox for president! Or Cruz if Zaphod is unavailable.)
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To: rdl6989

The Carbon Dating is for the parchment, not the ink. Also, the article says calligraphy is of a “later style.”
It could be old (at the time!) or re-used parchment. Parchment was expensive and it was a common practice to scrape parchment and re-use it.


31 posted on 08/31/2015 11:43:12 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: rdl6989

Sure, and the Mormons will find those Golden Plates....


32 posted on 08/31/2015 11:43:33 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: rdl6989


33 posted on 08/31/2015 11:47:19 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: rdl6989

Muhammed was a fraud!!!

well, duh


34 posted on 08/31/2015 11:50:53 AM PDT by GeronL (Cruz is for real, 100%)
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To: rdl6989

I thought it was common knowledge in religious circles that the Caliph Utman ordered all early korans turned in under pain of death, had the whole thing rewritten to HIS liking and distributed to the Imans.


35 posted on 08/31/2015 11:51:33 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: rdl6989

“Dr. Keith Small, a Koranic manuscript consultant at Oxford’s Bodleian Library, admits the carbon dating applies to the parchment, not the ink, while the calligraphy is characteristic of a later style.”

Parchment was often scraped and reused.


36 posted on 08/31/2015 11:52:58 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: rdl6989

Hagarism, the Origin of Islam

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3321666/posts


37 posted on 08/31/2015 11:54:46 AM PDT by Ray76 (When a gov't leads it's people down a path of destruction resistance is not only a right but a duty.)
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To: headsonpikes

Yes, Mohammed was clearly good at what he did...attacking basically undefended peoples and subduing them with extreme violence. His tribe was nomadic and had lived at least in part through raiding camel trains bringing merchandise into that part of the world. This was some time after the collapse of the Roman Empire, so what little stability and protection had been granted to the many kingdoms and peoples in that area was long gone and they were just ripe for the taking.

He took the basic Arab business and war model and notched it up to a world-domination model. And most of the time, his attacks were successful.


38 posted on 08/31/2015 11:56:02 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Correct.

It is a mix of a bunch of religions. How it is expressed often depends on the audience. My wife is friends with a woman from Algeria, who honestly things Muslims and Catholics are the same except for bacon and wine.


39 posted on 08/31/2015 11:57:00 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NorthMountain

Your use of pigs was not speculative. It was deliberately slanderous.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
You would have been better using sheep as a target species.


40 posted on 08/31/2015 11:57:36 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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