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Immigration Law Is Broken?
11/21/2014 | MosesKnows

Posted on 11/21/2014 12:40:43 PM PST by MosesKnows

Immigration Law Is Broken?


I wasn’t clear how I would ask this question because it can be misunderstood.

Is it better to make this statement, The Immigration Law is Broken.

Or

Is it better to ask this question, Is the Immigration Law is Broken?

I hear the president and others in government using the expression, immigration laws are broken and therefore in need of reform. Comprehensive reform as they express it.

This creates a conundrum because when I read the law I don’t see anything broken. What does appear to be broken is the enforcement of the Immigration laws.

The Constitution is quite clear on this point. The duty of enforcing laws enacted by Congress is borne by the Executive branch. In fact, that duty is so important the Constitution only requires an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution from the president.

Considering how the president likes to mislead the people about his agenda for America I thought what he may mean is that illegal immigrates are breaking the Immigration laws.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: broken; immigration; law
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What do you think is broken?
1 posted on 11/21/2014 12:40:43 PM PST by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows

you are correct!
The laws are neither enforced by officials or obeyed by anyone. Do you really think that just by making up new laws THEY will be observed by anyone? Those that don’t like the new laws will take us right back to where we started.
They really DO think we’re stupid!


2 posted on 11/21/2014 12:44:50 PM PST by griswold3 (I was born here in America. I will die here in a third world country. Obalarma succeeded.)
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To: MosesKnows
The Immigration laws are not broken, it is the enforcement that is broken.

Enforce the requirement of employers to use eVerify for all employees, and illegals will no longer be able to work and will self-deport.

3 posted on 11/21/2014 12:47:21 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: MosesKnows

I said the same thing, last night, when Lyin’ King made that statement. John Boehner used the exact same term in his BS statement he released, just before 0bola went on the air.

Our immigration system IS NOT BROKEN!!! Our ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM IS BROKEN!!

It’s all political theatre...the politicians use the words *comprehensive* and *reform* when they want to create yet another HUGE government program to take more TAXES, from hard-working Americans.


4 posted on 11/21/2014 12:48:37 PM PST by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: MosesKnows

1. We already have immigration laws. Why does not the president enforce them? Why doesn’t he fulfill his oath of office? Oh, that’s right - making up laws gets him votes. Party before county…

2. Just a few years ago, democrats had a super majority in the house, a filibuster proof senate and obama in the white house. Why didn’t we get comprehensive immigration reform then? We got obamacare on Christmas eve. Why not immigration reform on New Year’s Day? Now it the highest priority for obama once republican have taken over the house and senate…hmmmm


5 posted on 11/21/2014 12:48:39 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: MosesKnows

Yeah, it’s broken hundreds of times a day......................


6 posted on 11/21/2014 12:49:12 PM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: griswold3
Do you really think that just by making up new laws THEY will be observed by anyone?

Only the parts Obama likes. A section on quick citizenship or illegals would be obeyed. Building a few hundred miles of double layer fence? Nope.

7 posted on 11/21/2014 12:49:17 PM PST by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: MosesKnows

Illegal immigants are FOREIGNERS. They do not belong here.
However the Immigration laws of Mexico are broken because the Mexican Constitution requires all people wishing to emigrate to another country to obtain PERMISSION from the Mexcican Consularies offices there. The illegals are thus BREAKING THE LAWS OF 2 COUNTRIES, ie., neither country govt. is enforcing its immigration laws.


8 posted on 11/21/2014 12:51:05 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: MosesKnows

The Federal Government wouldn’t enforce border security, so the state of Arizona said fine, and stepped up to enforce the law. After all, they were bearing the brunt of the costs of a porous border. The Federal government then proceeded to sue the State of Arizona to stop enforcing the laws that the Federal government stopped enforcing. So, now, tell me, what exactly is out of place in this scenario?


9 posted on 11/21/2014 12:51:31 PM PST by fhayek
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To: MosesKnows

“Comprehensive reform” - Rarely effective, usually meant to hide intent, fraud and wasteful spending.

Laws should be very brief, a few pages long and very focused on a given issue so every person can read and understand it.


10 posted on 11/21/2014 12:51:35 PM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: 2banana
Why didn’t we get comprehensive immigration reform then?

Unlike Obamacare, they really, really want the Republican fingerprints on this as co-conspirators. I think that shows that they thought Obamacare would be loved while the would be hated by the citizens thus blame would have to be spread.

11 posted on 11/21/2014 12:53:34 PM PST by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: MosesKnows

It’s been broken for years, by Mexicans, Guatemalans, Salvadorans, Russians, Irish, Canadians, Iranians, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Build the WALL, NOW!


12 posted on 11/21/2014 12:58:50 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: MosesKnows

The law is broken only by those who break it, whether by illegal entry, or by having the authority to enforce it and failing to do so through negligence or design.


13 posted on 11/21/2014 1:00:03 PM PST by ExGeeEye (The enemy's gate is down...and to the left.)
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To: MosesKnows

You are getting to the crux of the matter. The left and right can’t solve the problem because the Democrats and the Republicans have jointly fostered the failure to enforce the laws and regulations as were in place during 20 years for both parties holding power. They have done so for party power.

Now the progressive and conservative bases want correction and no reform is possible without lawlessness.

When a country corrupts its practices the country suffers and we are suffering worse than the immigrants that have entered the country illegally.

Solutions must have legitimacy. That is granted when it goes through the proper process. Supreme Courts don’t give it. Executive action fiats don’t give it. Legislative hi-jinxs doesn’t yield it. Only in going through citizen input, legislative action and studied bargaining and then being signed into law do we get fair closure to legitimacy. A good example is the 10 year process for the Civil Rights law changes in the 60s. After a few years there was a new settled ground on the whole issue, it was behind us.

Dred Scott, Abortion, the ACA, the ACA appeals, the EPA administrative Tyranny have all been fought because they did not go through the proper process to get the citizenry to acknowledge legitimacy.


14 posted on 11/21/2014 1:00:37 PM PST by KC Burke (Gowdy for Supreme Court)
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To: MosesKnows
The immigration system is broken just like health care is broken, and foreign policy, and civil rights, and environmental policy, and tax laws, and the highways and bridges, and the space program, and gay rights, and women's rights, and minority rights, and the national debt, and the economy, and the CIA, NSA, FBI, Homeland Security, and Secret Service are messed up, and the military is in chaos, and a hundred other departments and functions are in shambles.

If you look at the big picture, the government is what is broken.

15 posted on 11/21/2014 1:04:20 PM PST by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: MosesKnows

We have a lawless Federal government insofar as they are beholden to the law. That is it in a nutshell, and requires very little analysis.


16 posted on 11/21/2014 1:04:47 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: MosesKnows; Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; ...

:)


17 posted on 11/21/2014 1:08:41 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: SpaceBar

Yeah....I heard the pubbies crawled out of town without so much as a whimper.


18 posted on 11/21/2014 1:09:07 PM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: MosesKnows
The Constitution is broken. What the idiot did last night (and today) has more to do with the PRESIDENT breaking the law than with the immigrant.

IMHO, the discussion should not be on immigration, but on a blatant unconstitutional power grab by the president.
19 posted on 11/21/2014 1:10:19 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: fhayek

You nailed it.


20 posted on 11/21/2014 1:11:09 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens.)
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