Posted on 10/25/2014 7:50:32 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
Edited on 10/25/2014 9:38:08 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Your argument sounds persuasive. But run the backstabbing Romney again and see what happens...again.
Afraid not.
Thank you.
That isn't the facts at all, Romney has been pro-abortion since at least 1963, and eloquently, and passionately so, we have all the quotes and videos stating that, including his Planned Parenthood fund raising photo.
While Romney suddenly claimed to have had an epiphany about abortion when he started his presidential run in 2006 and switching to life in time for his presidential primary run for 2008, after winning the nomination in 2012, he came out against the GOP's pro-life platform, and went back to his pro-abortion position, using the phrase, "health of mother".
I am not calling you heartless, I’ve called you nothing. I am simply making the point, and it is obvious that you have no proof in the form of quotes actually attributed to Rick Perry that would prove him to be pro-amnesty. It is sad that you cannot back up your, what truly seem now to be pitiful accusations based upon nothing more than you wanting to believe the worst about Perry because you have some differences with him. I will say this though, debating with you is exactly like debating with a progressive - (and please note I did not accuse you of being a progressive, I would not insult you like that) - the belief seeming to be that providing proof for your position is somehow beneath you. That’s fine I was not trying to persuade you, I was trying to learn. And I did learn, about Norm Lenhart who’s not running for President; unfortunately I did not learn anything new about Rick Perry, who is probably running for President, which was my goal. Thanks for helping.
Just as an FYI, so you know where I’m coming from, I will not be supporting Perry in the 2016 primary if he runs. I will be supporting Cruz, unless Palin decides to run. Of course if by some crazy set of circumstances Perry is the R nominee I will be more than happy to vote for him versus any D that he would run against.
Sorry you do not like a man who worked his way from nothing to millions. Yes, he worked as a kid and worked four years in construction saving 8K to form his own business. He did well and he gives back, too. He was also a missionary type in Haiti. He credits his business degree for much of his success . We need businessmen in the Senate and House because they know how to create jobs. Perhaps he is a bit too populist, but; he is no pal of Obama.
I would love to see your proof. And I would love to see it in it’s proper context, as in the questions he is actually answering etc...etc...
You think Perry isn’t pro-illegal? He called us “heartless” for not wanting to give them in-state tuition that other Americans are denied.
Not quite — the best proof I have of him being for amnesty (defacto or literal) is his actions regarding the southern border. He has every legal power to use real military force to resolve that situation, yet what did he do? A display purposes only
observation mission.
The cities are agencies of the state, the state can overrule the cities easily. The state can ban sanctuary cities.
So you were calling Tennessee Nana a liar without even knowing anything about Romney and abortion.
What specifically in post 185 do you want proof of?
I’ve got good friends here in Oregon who are strongly pro-life, who are voting for Monica Whelby, the pro-abortion and homo marriage GOP senate candidate, as they say four more years of Harry Reid will destroy us, and a GOP senate would forestall some of the worst of it.
I can’t and won’t vote for her, but I do acknowledge their beliefs, and don’t put them down for it.
Ed
seems you caught the moonbat disease if you are pro dingy harry
I no longer have that interview as I lost the link to it and more when my computer died, and I'm not about to spend the time looking for it as I know from experience the Perry faithful always and w/o exception discount it as meaningless. But he said it, and given the wealth of information we know about Mr. Perry and his history of supporting ILLEGAL aliens, I fully believe he meant it.
I would like the proof you and nana are speaking of, that being the proof of Romney being pro-abortion since 1963 when he was just 17 years old. I’m really curious about those quotes that nana claims from 1963 because I really doubt that Romney, at age 17 had staked out any positions publicly by that time. I can provide much more recent quotes that proves he is not pro-abortion, in fact it took me about 30 seconds to find hundreds of quotes that state his pro-life and pro-traditional marriage position.
I myself at age 18 was pro-abortion, and very liberal, in fact today 35 years later, there is scarcely any political position that I held as a teenager/young adult that has not changed 180 degrees. My point is that people change and Mitt Romney’s stated positions today are bound to be different than they were when he was 17 years old in 1963, or even 25 or 30 years old. People change their positions as we grow older and mature and gain wisdom. Mitt Romney’s statements in the 2012 campaign about abortion and gay marriage proves to me that he is solidly pro-life and solidly pro-traditional marriage and furthermore his statements prove him to be very understanding of and faithful to the Constitution and the process he would have had to follow thereby. And after searching I have not come up with any pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage quotes from him, that is why I called her a liar, because it is apparent that you purists, who cannot abide even the smallest difference of opinion on any issue and constantly lie, and take quotes out of context in order to try to prove your points about those with whom you disagree. And as stated previously debating dishonest people is the same whether they’re far left or far right. I simply expected more honesty from those on the right, but I’ve been sadly disappointed.
I just had a long conversation with one of you compatriots who stated that he could prove Rick Perry was pro-Amnesty, yet could not produce one scintilla of proof of any quote or policy statement from Perry that proved such. That is why I am asking, I hold out the fact that I could be wrong and missed something but then, when there is no proof forthcoming one is left to assume that that there was no proof to begin with. I only go where the evidence takes me when making judgments about politicians, other peoples interpretations of quotes and such are not proof in my book.
Well, I have searched, and searched and cannot find any explicit quotes or policy statements that show Perry to be pro-amnesty. This is like science, if you cannot reproduce the results of the original experiment then the theory the experiment was to prove is likely false. I go with the evidence and there is none that proves Rick Perry is pro-amnesty, or that Mitt Romney is pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage.
I think some of you want to make the claim they have those positions, thus you interpret any statements they make through those prisms, and thus magically in your fevered hatred of anyone with whom you disagree in the slightest, you will make any claims about them without regard to the validity of of your analysis, if you even bother to take the time to do proper analysis, which seems doubtful. If that seems harsh, well too bad, it is the words of those making the claims while unwilling or unable to back them up that provide the evidence for that statement. In other words you guys not only provided the rope, you also slipped the noose around your necks and then tripped the gallows trap door, all with your own words. You’ve exposed yourselves for what you are, just as rigid in your beliefs and willing to hold positions that go against the evidence as any far leftist is in theirs.
Who really cares what you thought of Bo. Your thoughts on the subject are meaningless He is a far greater man than either you or I will ever hope to be. And the Team, the Team, the Team is not in reference to the Republican Party, it is in reference to the halftime speech, known in UM lore as The Team speech, Bo gave to the UM football team during the 1969 Michigan vs Ohio St game. It has nothing to do with the R’s what-so-ever.
Diogenes may be able to help you out with more recent quotes demonstrating Romney’s “former” pro-choice stance and/or his “miraculous” conversion to the sanctity of life (and marriage). Right around 2012 too imagine that.
It’s pretty undeniable which is why support for him was so reluctant around here. I mean at least McCain was pretty much consistently pro life and marriage.
Now I did vote for him (not that it made much difference in MD anyway which is why I kind of regret doing it now). Make no mistake though, no more RINO votes from me. I’m done with the icky feeling afterwards. Kind of like when you get suckered into buying a car you didn’t really want from a slick used-car salesman. Just never sat right, with me.
In closing: Go Bucks!
I should have known you’re an ohio fan, that explains a lot. LOL
Just as an FYI - I hate the GOPe with every fiber of my being, I hate the Dem party even more but the fact is I will vote for the GOPe if they win the primary because I love my country more than I hate the GOPe. I dont like voting for the least worst option anymore than you, but when that is the choice we face I will pull the lever for the GOPe, even being as corrupt and cowardly as they are, they are still preferable to the treasonous dems. I would like to have the option to vote for a third party, a conservative but the fact is nobody other than an R or a D has a chance to win so a vote or a write-in for some other candidate is a vote for dem sponsored treason. I will continue to fight against any GOPe candidate in the primary but if we cannot field a candidate that can win the primary then I will pull the lever for the least worst that can win. If the day comes that Palin officially splits and starts a third party I’ll be right with her, until then voting for someone other than the R in a general is a fools errand where our country is concerned. That’s just my opinion but that’s what I have to act on.
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