Posted on 07/06/2014 7:41:39 AM PDT by dervish
Today, the Supreme Court granted Wheaton College an injunction pending appeal against enforcement of the contraception mandate, even though Wheaton was eligible for the accommodation HHS has provided for religious non-profits. Specifically the Court ordered:
If the applicant informs the Secretary of Health and Human Services in writing that it is a non-profit organization that holds itself out as religious and has religious objections to providing coverage for contraceptive services, the respondents are enjoined from enforcing against the applicant the challenged provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and related regulations pending final disposition of appellate review. To meet the condition for injunction pending appeal, the applicant need not use the form prescribed by the Government, EBSA Form 700, and need not send copies to health insurance issuers or third-party administrators.
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I have always held that there is no way whatsoever that birth control can be justified as a health insurance matter.
Instead of fixing something that doesn’t work, it either breaks something that works or prevents something that works, from working.
I have never received an intelligent rebuttal or even a coherent reply from a leftist on this matter.
Your points are spot on. Well done.
“I have never received an intelligent rebuttal or even a coherent reply from a leftist on this matter”
you never will
Very good reply. They always whine . . . but Viagra is covered for men . . . but it fixes something that is broke. haha
The liberals had no problem twisting the language of Lawrence v. Texas.
The only thing the Wheaton College injunction says is that an exempt employer MAY not be required to file a certain form with the US government. Until the issue (is a certain form required) is resolved, the government should consider themselves notified and take whatever action they deem appropriate.
It does not impact the employer mandate or birth control in any way - regardless of the mass hysteria among the Uterus Uber Alles crowd on the Supreme Court!
Instead of fixing something that doesn’t work, it either breaks something that works or prevents something that works, from working.
I have never received an intelligent rebuttal or even a coherent reply from a leftist on this matter.
As a strong conservative, I am going to give you a coherent reply. Most birth control has been traditionally treated as a medical care issue for nearly a century. Politicians, the medical care industry, and the general populace has gone along with this for longer than I have been alive, which approaches 7 decades. There is really no such thing as Health Insurance -- no one but God can guarantee your health. A policy may say "Health Insurance" on the top of the page, and politicians, medical professionals, the media and the general public may call it that, but if you think about this for a while you will see that it does not insure that you will be healthy any more than "Life Insurance" insures that you will live.
It is Medical Care Insurance which guarantees to pay for medical treatment. Just as Life Insurance pays your beneficiary when you die. There are many types of medical treatment which are not necessary to continue living, but which produce results that are desired by the patient. Would you deny cosmetic surgery to those born with disfiguring birth defects? How about those with traumatic injury?
As I age, I find I need the modern antacid drugs. I have never heard of anyone dying of heartburn, but are you going to argue that these drugs should not be covered by medical insurance?
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Be careful what you ask for. One of the potential responses to the medical care coverage issue, is to make birth control over-the-counter. This would remove it from the policies, which only cover prescription medication, but, it would be even more widely available. I am not certain this is a bad idea, although you might find it less appealing.
To them, “broke” means anything that doesn’t work the way *I* want it to work. Post-modernism means that people can make up whatever “truth” they want, and I think they figure that the real world should work just like the imaginary thought games work for them. If I believe that a Mack truck running me over won’t kill me, then by golly that’s how the world is supposed to work.
It’s idolatry - putting oneself in the place of God. Who does God think He is, to say how the reproductive system is “supposed” to work? Or to say how marriage is “supposed” to work? Etc. That’s the mentality. If it works how God intended but not how *I* intended, then it’s broken because it is the “Almighty Me” whose will is everything.
The whole point of “Planned Parenthood” is that our lives should always go just how WE want it to be. Children should live according to *MY* terms. They should be when and where I want, the gender I want, the intelligence level I want, the eye-color I want.... etc.
Basically, it’s the mentality of a 2-year-old who, when he can’t get his parents to agree to what he wants, throws a tantrum and/or takes what he wants anyway.
What they may never realize is that God’s way is for our good. He knows how everything fits together and knows the ultimate consequences for trying to switch this “one little thing” around. But humans want to believe they know best - more than the One who can see the end from the beginning. We don’t know the world of hurt we may be inviting by messing with “this one little thing”, but He does.
Let’s come at this from a different angle:
Do all the positions of the Liberals try to make the case that an employer MUST provide for birth control & contraceptive items?
IF SO-—What about the woman who doesn’t work-—and there are plenty of them in the USA.
Some live on trust funds from their parents or grandparents. They MUST provide their own birth control items if they wish to have such.
Some are homeless on the streets-—who provides their birth control care??
Many women are in prison/jail in the USA-—who is providing their birth control???
Some are in hospitals for mental care—who provides birth control for them?
Basically-—WHY is the EMPLOYER supposed to supply birth control for a woman??? WHO got this idea into their heads & fomented it into the fabric of America.?????
IS this same employer supposed to be supplying ALL of the health needs for a women?
I have dry skin-—my employer should provide my Gold Bond lotion???
I have dandruff-—my employer should provide Selsun Blue shampoo???
I am allergic to certain pollens-—my employer should provide all my OTC allergy items???
I cut my finger while cutting up chicken while making dinner-—my employer should provide all my Bandaids?
I have dry eyes-—my employer should provide my Visine products???
I still am having my period-—my employer should provide my Tampons???
I have a headache-—my employer should provide my Bayer aspirin or Aleve or Advil?
And the milk to take such tablets with???
We all are advised to take vitamins because of the processing of today’s food-——is the employer to provide my vitamins????
I have Macular Degeneration in my family-—is my employer supposed to provide the supplements recommended for me???
I shave my armpits & legs-—my employer should provide the razors & shaving cream???
I insist on going barefoot or in thongs all year around———my employer should provide Heel Crack cream because of my refusal to wear shoes???
IS there no level of responsibility of a woman in America any more???
Birth control pills cost less than a decent bottle of wine——for a month’s supply. Lots of these Liberal women consume a bottle wine a month.
Buy your own products, ‘LADIES’-—it is NOT the burden of your employer to do so.
You are NOT being DENIED ACCESS to birth control. Those pills can be bought across the counter at Wal-Mart without a prescription for less than about $20 a month.
As an employer, I am expecting you to pay for your own life style & choices.
The matter of whether “health insurance” will absolutely fix you up in the same way that “car insurance” will absolutely fix your car up, or get you a new one, is far beyond the scope of how it applies to birth control. It would be a good chat over curly fries and beer at happy hour though, and I will keep it in mind.
Yes the matter of birth control is a medical matter but I say that it is not a medical *insurance* matter. If pregnancy is to be considered a disease, it is by any measure the most preventable “disease” mankind has ever “suffered”. Only forcible rape comes to mind as an exception.
But re “Would you deny cosmetic surgery to those born with disfiguring birth defects? How about those with traumatic injury?”, no and no. My earlier definition could not be simpler, and has no implication whatsoever that there is a distinction to be made for life-threatening injuries or diseases vs those that are not. A traumatic injury is the very reason for health insurance or medical insurance or whatever we would agree to call it. And the “cosmetic surgery” of your example is well within my quick definition of “fixing something that doesn’t work” and can easily be defined and defended as something very different from a Hollywood nose job.
If I may expand on that point just a little, I see no slippery slope or hazy line here if we extend it to medical treatment in general. We can all agree that a broken leg in a car accident is the kind of thing health insurance is for, and at the same time agree that some kind of surgery or new science fiction genetic procedure to make our middle-aged legs as quick and as strong as our early-20’s legs were is not.
Your antacid question is another easy call for me: that’s fixing something that doesn’t work. Now as to whether an insurance company should pay for Tums, for for the latest, best prescription, for surgery, I say that’s for them to decide to include in a policy they offer — not for the government to mandate — and for you to buy or not buy that policy.
Good points. As I just wrote in another post, it should be up to the insurance company — as it had been for quite some time — to decide whether to offer “coverage” for aspirin, antacids, dandruff shampoo, etc. They don’t, because it’s stupid, for the same economic reasons that no car insurance company has a policy that “covers” oil changes or offers a three-dollar deductible.
Obamacare is stuck on us and when people start going to Prison for not paying
or not able to pay, they battle will be over One Day of the Five year sentence.
To hell with everybody!
Hear hear. Code words and phrases for “abortion” are the favorite euphemisms in all of Leftist Thought — “women’s health”, “reproductive choice”, etc. I can’t think of any other “right” for which its advocates dare not speak its name.
Very Good!
Somewhat related....I am always hearing reports on the News, even Fox, that speak of women’s issues as if all women hold the same viewpoint.
If I were on one of those programs I would say...hold the phone, Christian women do not share these views, speaking of abortion etc
Someone needs to come out and say that Christian Women are only, I repeat ONLY pro life.
There is no such thing as a pro choice or pro abortion (same thing btw) Christian period
What about all the different sects of Protestantism that approve of contraception.
Abortion they are against, but contraception they seem to favor.
It doesn’t make sense to me.
Chesterton had a cute quote about population growth that I will post.
Christian women under no circumstances support abortion.
Yes if I said that on tv they would cry bloody murder and say how dare I say they are not Christian, but nevertheless it is true that and woman that supports abortion in any way shape or form, does not have the Spirit of Christ within them
Christian women under no circumstances support abortion.
Yes if I said that on tv they would cry bloody murder and say how dare I say they are not Christian, but nevertheless it is true that and woman that supports abortion in any way shape or form, does not have the Spirit of Christ within them
“The answer to anyone who talks about the surplus population is to ask him, whether he is part of the surplus population; or if not, how he knows he is not.” [1925]
~~G. K. Chesterton
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