Posted on 04/11/2014 8:34:41 AM PDT by Kackikat
"The Bureau of Land Management has just cashed in with $1.27 million in oil and gas leases in Nevada. This was just reported two weeks ago in ShaleReporter.com, which states:
U.S. Bureau of Land Management geologist Lorenzo Trimble tells the Las Vegas Review-Journal the Elko County oil and gas leases sold
Tuesday for $1.27 million to six different companies. The auction took place in Reno. The leases are near where Houston-based Noble Energy Inc. wants to drill for oil and natural gas on 40,000 acres of public and private land near the town of Wells. The Review-Journal reports the project would be the first in Nevada to use hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to extract oil and gas from shale deposits.
The way this works, of course, is that BLM runs land theft operations by claiming they are “managing” the land and thereby kicking everyone else off it. "
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His water rights for his ranch are at stake too....this is far from over, no doubt.
Your damn right you should have—you witnessed a crime against humanity and potential “hate crimes” against the land.
“disbanding the BLM”
I agree with that along with EPA, NEA, the FED, DOE, and IRS for starters.
No.
The 1984-1993 Taylor Grazing Act contract on the old Bunkerton allotment expired. It was time to enter into a new agreement, just as the Bundy family had been doing every ten years since 1934.
The new grazing agreement offered by the BLM contained a provision drastically reducing the number of livestock that Clive Bundy could graze on the allotment because the allotment was the habitat of desert tortoises, which the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Services had declared and Endangered Species in 1989.
That wasn't acceptable to Cliven Bundy, so he didn't sign the agreement and ceased paying grazing fees.
The inhabitants noted were those holding title and deeds.
There were no such inhabitants in Nevada
The lands in question are and always have been government lands
All this is moot because Bundy has no deed and no title beyond his 150 acres.
I talk to an engineer whose job is at fracking wells to be there in case computers operating big machinery screw up. I’ve learned a lot about how these wells are drilled and expanded at the bottom of the well into the shale rock.
“I agree with that along with EPA, NEA, the FED, DOE, and IRS for starters.”
You left out the most important, one the BATFE!
Wait! Y’all are saying the Obama administration sold fracking licenses? Did someone in the administration go rogue?
Here's the opposing argument. The federal government obtained title to the land in 1848, under the Treaty of Hidalgo Guadalupe, before the State of Nevada existed. As one of the conditions of Nevada Statehood, Nevada's constitution convention ceded all rights in public lands to the United States.
The U.S. allowed free grazing on federal public open range until 1934 and the passage of the Taylor Grazing Act. ("federal public")
Nevada has never been a sovereign entity. It was created out of federal property and never existed as a sovereign nation. The State of Nevada specifically recognizes federal Taylor Grazing Act allotments, agreements, and grazing fees under Nev. Rev. Stat. Ch. 568.
and “bomb making materials”
they go hand in hand when the Feds come knocking.
Yours is not a cogent argument before a court. The inhabitants had rights of water and grazing that the treaty recognized. Look at Articles VIII and IX of the treaty.
I don’t think the feds can present a winning argument in court. It’s not a cakewalk for them by any means.
“He stopped paying even before the tortoise issue came up. He is a freeloader who is using a public resource without compensation for his personal economic gain. He’s a moocher and taker.”
I agree. This is something that all of America should be up in arms about. I mean this is horrible. Get everyone involved, let people know about this crime against humanity. Burn the man - for The People!
You are talking sanity and sense.
We’ll have none of that! /s
“The contention seemed to be that somehow ‘fracked’ oil was more volatile (I recall they used the term “explosive”) than ‘unfracked’ oil.”
Some people’s brains are hopeless. Oil is oil and gas is gas. In these land areas, both oil and gas are stuck in shale rock. Drilling into the shale rock, and drilling horizontal both ways at the bottom of the well that is in the shale, and shattering the shale using carbon dioxide explosions, releases the oil that is oil and the gas that is gas. That is a simple explanation and is how it was explained to me by the engineer who is at those wells most of the time.
When the well is completed, either trucks carry out the oil from the well head, or large containers are constructed at the well site are filled and trucks get it from there, or according to the locations, pipe can be laid to get it to the refinery and that’s where the trucks are going, too. It’s plain oil and plain gas that came out of rock.
Oil fracking leases do not mean the companies actually get to use them, it’s all about the money. And the point of the article is the ‘desert tortoise’ is a ruse.
The BLM gets Bundy to lose ability to graze on public land, and possibly lose his water rights, and then they can buy his ranch cheap. The real reason is hidden from taxpayers and Bundy by BLM hoping to score for government.
The Oil Fracking Leases in that area made the news two weeks before this incident, but the BLM made $1.24 million on those leases....interesting.
Come to think about it more Roman, seeing those cows graze on Public Land really turned my stomach. What if they were eating the scrub grass for free?
It ruined the whole camping experience. Life hasn’t been the same for me after witnessing such blatant freeloading.
The Federal Government paid Mexico for it. That why it's Federal land.
The Federal Government paid Mexico for it. That why it's Federal land.
Yes, but with whose money did they pay for the land....the taxpayer. The Federal Government does not own anything, they manage... nor should they...it’s all taxpayer money.
That’s why we get so upset with the 4 trillion dollars in debt....we owe the money, the taxpayers.
If I understand the history right (And I'm no expert. I googled for 10 minutes.) The Federal government acquired these lands by paying Mexico for them. Then the government allowed homesteading but didn't allow big enough tracts to be homesteaded to be viable. So settlers homesteaded the tracks near water supplies and grazed their cattle on the public lands still owned by the Federal government.
Initially grazing was free, but then the Federal government began imposing grazing fees some 25 years ago.
The homesteads aren't as valuable without the grazing rights. But at the same time, I doubt that the Feds ever promised to allow grazing indefinitely. That was a risk that the homesteaders took.
If it was Citizen B that owned the land, we would stand with Citizen B as having the right to repurpose the land as he chooses.
On the other hand, one might successfully argue that the government knew the homesteads were not viable without the grazing rights and that constitutes an implied promise of continuence.
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