Pat Robertson begs Ken Ham to shut up

Salon Media Group ^ | 02/05/2014 | Elias Isquith

[PapaNew]

Creationist Ken Ham is having his 15 minutes, following a live debate on evolution held between himself and Bill Nye “The Science Guy” on Tuesday.

And while you’d expect most folks to deem Nye the winner (which they have), Ham is receiving criticism from a source you might not expect: televangelist Pat Robertson.

On the Wednesday edition of his TV show, “The 700 Club,” Robertson indirectly implored Ham to put a sock in it, criticizing Ham’s view that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

“Let’s face it, there was a bishop [James Ussher] … who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years,” Robertson began. “There ain’t no way that’s possible … To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think it’s time we come off of that stuff and say this isn’t possible.”

“We’ve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesn’t comport with anything that’s found in science,” Robertson continued, “and you can’t just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.”

“Let’s be real,” Robertson begged, “let’s not make a joke of ourselves.”

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Only Progressives rewrite history....the rest of us still see George Washington as a good guy, and Mao...what you said!

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Religious people re-write history as well.... well before the
communists(socialists) became progressives..

Catholic history does NOT match Protestant history..
and both of them do not match Muslim history..

[ROCKLOBSTER]

A similar but larger catastrophic event formed the grand canyon...

Wouldn't be that Yellowstone volcano would it?

[Kackikat]

So we should let the scriptures they wrote minister to our hearts, and that will lead us in the right direction. I go with the NIV interpretation that comes directly from the original Greek and Hebrew writings. The King James Version is close to the NIV as possible, and uses the language of the Old English, and not enough difference to matter in important issues.
The Catholic Bible resembles the Protestant Bible closely, except it has a few books not in the Protestant Bible.

Now, The Dead Sea scrolls have been entered into history as well. As for the Islam/Muslim Koran, that’s their business.

I am however settled on Jesus is the Son of God and if they don’t agree with that, well I’m out.

[hosepipe]

So we should let the scriptures they wrote minister to our hearts, and that will lead us in the right direction. I go with the NIV interpretation that comes directly from the original Greek and Hebrew writings.

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NOT so........... there ARE NO original writings of either the new or old testament.. NONE...
all are copies.. (multi-generational deep) of alleged originals..

maybe some are “true” or even partially true..
but their are no guarantees..

I realize bible worshipers would have a problem with that BUT...
then bible worshipers have no real need of God(anyway) they have the bible..

Having an invisible friend(GOD)... is too simple for them..
they need something to HOLD ON to..

[Kackikat]

ROFL...Oh I am sure God loves that explanation...lol To each his own.

[Kackikat]

http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Integ/B-0801.htm

Some real facts at this website on the authenticity of the Dead Sea Scrolls and Various Books of the Bible...thought you might scroll down and see there are original scrolls and letters authenticated.

[hosepipe]

Dead Sea Scrolls are copies.. by Gnostics.. or pseudo-Gnostics..
NOT original(s) in any sense.. they are just older copies..

I’m not trying to steal your bible from you...
Without the bible you would seem to have nothing..

God is real.. you do not need the bible..
With it or without it, God is still real..

[TXnMA]

No. He first developed (formed) the population. They were long-established before A&E found themselves among them when they were “booted”...

[TXnMA]

That was one of the more graceful (and Grace-filled) retreats I’ve observed on FR. May you be blessed...

[Kackikat]

Needless to say you aren’t open to actual science that proves the Bible right.

I have the Holy Spirit’s presence so you couldn’t possibly steal anything from me. Debate is good, it makes us ready for the progressive attacks.

Blessings.

[hosepipe]

Needless to say you aren’t open to actual science that proves the Bible right.

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I didn’t say the bible was right -OR- wrong...
only that some worship it.. i.e. idol...

And implied some are quite delusional..
by not admitting it is an idol to them..

fully a “graven image”..

[PapaNew]

I guess another way of looking at it is everybody around now came from one family (Noah’s) that survived the flood 5000 years ago according to the Bible. So basically the age of our current population is 5000 years. I wonder how many heads will explode over that?

[PapaNew]

But the Bible is a revelation of God’s Son, Jesus Christ to mankind who he died for.

[hosepipe]

But the Bible is a revelation of God’s Son, Jesus Christ to mankind who he died for.

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We are all God’s sons/daughters... including angels..
Which proves Jesus was not saying anything crazy when he called himself God’s son..
Actually angels are called sons of God(bibically).. (not Angels)

Your parents created your flesh but God created your spirit..
Some people identify carnally.. others spiritually..

The bible is about ALL OF US being sons of God..
Jesus never coveted worship... he said....................

“Pick up YOUR cross and follow me”.... in many biblical references..
You need not be MADE a son of God, you already are One..

Some are willing to take up their cross...
and others are willing to watch others do it..
AND some could care less...

YET; others carry their cross and never ever read or heard of the bible.. OR Jesus..
Maybe a few or many no one really knows (yet)..

GOD is real.... the bible is just a book..

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But the Bible is a revelation of God’s Son, Jesus Christ to mankind who he died for.

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The book of revelation in the new testament is a revelation of Jesus Christ.. (probably)...
Not a revelation of who Jesus is, BUT “Jesus’s revelation”...
NOT John’s revelation...

It’s not Jesus Bio but a timeline according to a revelation that Jesus Had.. and if true or not is a darn good story..
Many images and metaphors to give hope and faith to those wanting to know MORE!...

MORE WHAT?.... more of what’s to come.. in an infinite timeline..
Not many author’s have the giddyup to write on an infinite timeline..

[PapaNew]

Jesus also revealed God as the Father and said, “No man comes to the Father except by Me” (John 14:6). We need a Savior Bro. Jesus took the hit for us because God as Perfect Judge must punish sin with death. No need to die in your sins Bro becasue He already did. Just receive Him.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

I very much look forward to your graphic presentation/video on science just now catching up with the truths revealed in Genesis.

Indeed, I very strongly agree with Jewish Physicist Gerald Schroeder that - when we consider inflationary theory (relativity) and the big bang - it is readily apparent that approximately 15 billion years from our space/time coordinates is equal to approximately an equivalent week from the inception space/time coordinates.

The structure of space/time is such that while a week elapses in the vicinity of a black hole, forty years may elapse on earth.

And so on...

A Formerly Proud Canadian, you offered a challenge a little further down in this sidebar. I'd like to respond. You said:

Please, show me elsewhere in the Bible where the Hebrew 'yom' (day) means an indefinitely longer length of time, such as you propose in Genesis 1. Also where, in your point of view, does yom revert back to meaning approximately 24 hours instead of an indefinitely longer length of time?

On the first challenge, God warned to Adam was that he would surely die in the day he ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. – Genesis 2:17

And so he did though Adam lived 932 years on earth:

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. – Genesis 5:5

That is not some vague reference but is explicitly revealed here:

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. – 2 Peter 3:8

That is also the Jewish interpretation (Sanhedrin 97a; Avodah Zarah Sa) of Psalms 90:4:

For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night.

On the second challenge - looking at Creation Week as Prophecy (7 days or 7,000 years appointed to Adamic man) and Christ's millennial reign in Revelation as the Sabbath in the prophecy - I aver that Adam's clock (our space/time calendar) begins at the moment Adam was banished to mortality - the top of Genesis 4. The perspective of Scripture changes from God the Creator as observer to Adamic man as observer.

In broad support of that point, I'd point out that the Tree of Life - which is in the center of the Garden of Eden - is also in the center of Paradise:

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. – Genesis 2:9

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. – Revelation 2:7

Obviously this is one of my favorite subjects so I'd better stop before I get carried away.

Thank you all for sharing your insights and for keeping me in the loop!

[hosepipe]

No need to die in your sins Bro because He already did. Just receive Him.

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We went over that already.... pay attention...
Jesus didn’t say receive him, he said (” BE HIM “)...

“Pick up your OWN CROSS and follow him”... NOT
be a gopher shagging good deeds... and play acting like Jesus..
You cannot be Jesus, you can only be Yourself..
Be a good one..

Hopefully a role model for others follow as well...
It’s not what you believe, it’s what you DO and Do Not Do...
WITH that cross on your back....

Others are watching that could care less all the bible quotes you mumble..
They want to see something.. not what you say but what you DO.... and Do Not DO..

YOU are the closest many of them will EVER GET to Jesus..
Bible verses is Yada Yada Yada to MOST... what you DO... is NOT..

[Alamo-Girl]

LOLOL!

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed, dearest sister in Christ! Thank you for that link!