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Would You Join a Third Party Founded by Ted Cruz?
Ricochet ^ | September 25, 2013 | Astonishing

Posted on 09/26/2013 9:56:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I've properly taken to task Republicans who--in the heat of the present battle--are still attacking Ted Cruz and thereby effectively adding their voices to the Democrat choir that would blame Republicans for a government shutdown. (Their defeatist prophecy is sadly self-fulfilling.)

For that criticism, I've lately been accused of calling for a "purge" of impure Republicans.

Of course, I've never called for a purge, but the talk of purges makes me wonder if perhaps I and others like-minded should "purge" ourselves from the Republican Party.

No matter what you think about the current CR/Obamacare battle, it seems undeniable that the GOP rank-and-file is completely frustrated with the waffling Republican establishment and its intelligentsia. I'm accused of being unrealistic about the CR fight, but if I am unrealistic, then the GOP establishment's "realists" must also admit the reality that the GOP is coming apart before our eyes. Something must arise to replace it. (Perhaps that's a self-fulfilling prophecy, too. So be it!)

Is the time ripe for a third party?

Yes, I know very well such talk is usually quickly dismissed because a third party could not immediately become a viable "stand alone" alternative to the GOP.

But a third party split off from the GOP could immediately become a formidable political force by selectively aligning itself with the GOP and GOP candidates when the occasion required, but withholding support when the GOP refused to stand for our core principles.

Following a strategy of selectively aligning itself with the GOP, a new third party could eventually supplant the GOP rump by gradually siphoning off the Republican rank-and-file without ever reducing conservative clout by a single vote.

Would you join?

What are the core principles that a third party would need to uphold to in order to win your support?

I admit, I'm a bit of Wall Street Journal squish on immigration, but I could happily join with almost any collection of anti-immigrationists if they shared my views on a government of limited, express power, the rollback of government collectivism, reduced taxes, etc. Even though I am viscerally anti-abortion, I could even go along with a party platform that would explicitly leave that issue (and SSM) for the states to decide.

I guess you could say that, at the federal level, I'm almost libertarian, while at the state and local level, I'm a communitarian who believes citizens in local communities should be allowed to decide how to rule themselves, so long as core individual rights are respected. In other words, if the people of Berkeley want to worship the god of Mother Nature and tax themselves into oblivion, that's their business, because I don't have to live there. So far as I'm concerned , the people of California can vote to do pretty much whatever they want, so long as they don't expect us Texans to pay for it with federal tax dollars.

Would you join the New American Party?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; democrats; gop; republicans
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes.


61 posted on 09/27/2013 1:08:26 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hell ya, in a drop dead second!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


62 posted on 09/27/2013 1:12:23 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am more interested in purging RINOs at the moment.


63 posted on 09/27/2013 1:59:10 AM PDT by AdaGray (Primary Them All)
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To: uncitizen; Graewoulf; sickoflibs

I think Cruz passed second grade math class, so he’s unlikely to guarantee democrat plurality victories by starting a new party.

Let’s get him the Republican nod for President.

In the meantime he could run for Senate leader after the election. He’d likely lose that race but someone should challenge McCrapnel or the d-bag who will pick up the reins if McCrapnel is not renominated or reelected.


64 posted on 09/27/2013 2:43:48 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Id rather see Cruz/Lee and a few others(with our help of course) take over the GOP.

Org. structure is in place and thats a HUGE advantage over a start up party.


65 posted on 09/27/2013 2:58:01 AM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Graewoulf
I have a completely different view of the independent. The independent voter comes in three types:

The first type of independent is person in many cases who does not want to offend. Their political orientation can be the popularity or media driven viewpoint.

The second type of independent is the one who has an opinion, and has never been involved in politics. They have a bit of opinion and may be socially liberal but fiscally conservative.

The third type is the true independent who is politically involved. They are generally opinioned and have strong feelings about issues. Again oftentimes mirror the second type, e.g., socially liberal/fiscal conservative, or leaning mid-left or leaning mid- right in orientation.

The independent of the first two varieties are true citizens of the new order. They will sacrifice but will be what are deemed sheeple. The third variety is very oftentimes actively politically, either in forums or in person with political activities.

I like the third type of independent, but have little use for the other two types as they are generally swing voters or democrats who really are just fed up with their party at the "present time".

I assume a Third Party under CRUZ would be more of the second and third type independent but it would be a group whose diverse opinion might make it better to start THREE Independent Parties to manage each one accordingly:)

66 posted on 09/27/2013 3:37:02 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Heck, I thought he was joining mine.


67 posted on 09/27/2013 3:38:26 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, once you see and hear bloated rove you know we have a loser


68 posted on 09/27/2013 3:57:01 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (What you get when you refuse to vet)
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To: uncitizen

Sign me up. I think things have finally shifted to the point where it is now inevitable. There is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans. None. They are one and the same.

What difference is there between the two parties on the most important issue of our day, Obamacare? None. Even now we can see that most GOP a$$hats in the Senate actually support Obamacare by NOT supporting Cruz.

Who has the GOP supported and run as their White House nominee? Romney. McCain. Dole. Bush (1 and 2). And they were representative of conservatives?

Conservatives have no place to call home. I say it is time we build one for ourselves.


69 posted on 09/27/2013 4:07:26 AM PDT by FerociousRabbit
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FORM IT AND I WILL BE THERE. FREEDOM PARTY OR PATRIOT PARTY SOUNDS NICE! NOT WITHOUT LEVIN AND PALIN THOUGH!


70 posted on 09/27/2013 4:33:00 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: NoLibZone
Waste of time , the US is a failed nation.

Reset is the only answer.As much as I don't want to, I completely agree with you.

America is fundamentally broken. There is no viable political fix. The only way to get the government back inside its constitutional restraints will be bloody and awful. May God have mercy on the people who took us here.

71 posted on 09/27/2013 5:20:27 AM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: uncitizen

I too wouild move to a Cruz,Palin Tea Party.


72 posted on 09/27/2013 5:25:22 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We saw what happened last election when Obama got re-elected because too many sat out or voted third party. A move like this will only succeed in getting Hillary elected. We need to unite in the primary to ensure that the most conservative candidate that can possibly beat Hillary gets the nomination. If we don’t do that, the GOPe RINO will slip thru the cracks and become our candidate.


73 posted on 09/27/2013 6:00:12 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight (TEA baby! Let's roll!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m ready for Texas to secede, close the southern border, and go it alone.

If any adjacent states wanted to join up, that would be fine.


74 posted on 09/27/2013 7:33:11 AM PDT by Adult Dog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Now is about the time to make up our minds, to move or consolidate with the GOP.

McCain shut the he** up and sit down. You are now the GOP’s biggest problem.

If that idiot is still up spouting off his nonsense and hogging the camera by the end of this year, then pack it in and let’s run for a new party.

I’m all for this.


75 posted on 09/27/2013 7:40:25 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes I would! I have never joined another party, but often voted libertarian just as a protest vote. Now I am ready. I will pay to sign up. I will stand up in my small corner of the world and be counted as against this Republican Party. They have gone way too far. Reminds me of stories of Ancient Rome with all their senators foolery .


76 posted on 09/27/2013 7:51:27 AM PDT by Ramonne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The political system in this nation is broken and needs to be replaced. The Liberty Tree cries out for watering.


77 posted on 09/27/2013 8:06:05 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

An enthusiastic YES


78 posted on 09/27/2013 8:18:41 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Heck yeah. What's he waiting for?

For a third party to succeed it needs instant credibility. If a third party is declared and a number of senators and congressmen immediately declare membership in it then that gives it the credibility necessary.

79 posted on 09/27/2013 8:21:41 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One word..... YES!
80 posted on 09/27/2013 10:07:36 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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