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1 posted on 07/18/2013 10:36:09 AM PDT by kimtom
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Yes you can, the tricky part is finding the shovel that can dig matter out of space time and leave a hole called gravity.....


2 posted on 07/18/2013 10:41:15 AM PDT by GraceG
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The Steady-State theory has been shredded. The universe has not always existed.

Multiple cosmologists (like Avi Loeb at Harvard Univerity) say that the universe had a beginning and will come to an end.

Now, as to that beginning:

1.) did the universe come from prexisting matter, and if so where did that pre-existing matter come from and so on- thus leading us down the road of using a logical fallacy known as Infinite Regression.

2.) If the universe did come from nothing, how can that be proven?

Observe...test...then confirm.

How can you observe nothing if the universe came from nothing? If you can’t observe nothing, how then can it be tested? If it can’t be tested, what then can be confirmed?

What happens ultimately to the scientific method?


3 posted on 07/18/2013 10:42:45 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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Man goes to God and says, “We don’t need you anymore, we can create man from dirt, just like you did.”

God says, “Ok”.

Man says, “Ok here is some dirt.”

God says, “Uh uh....go and make your own dirt, first.”


4 posted on 07/18/2013 10:43:11 AM PDT by dfwgator
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I always heard the opposite. The reason the big bang could occur was because there was no existing universe to oppose it’s creation. Whether or not you think God was involved in that depends on your own religion I guess.

Nevertheless, there is nothing in the laws of thermo that contradict the big bang. Once a universe exists, within that universe, you can’t create something from nothing.


5 posted on 07/18/2013 10:45:18 AM PDT by fruser1
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quantum mechanics could have created the Universe

Yeah, but why would it?

7 posted on 07/18/2013 10:45:23 AM PDT by tbpiper
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Yes, but it will be full of cats.


10 posted on 07/18/2013 10:47:00 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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For those of you who don’t have the time to read the article, the answer to the question in the headline is “No.”


12 posted on 07/18/2013 10:47:34 AM PDT by riverdawg
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If god is the basis for our constitution and our
“God given rights” then all the libtards have to do
is prove there is no god. Then in their mind all rights
would default to state granted privilege. It doesn’t
matter, the constitution is a dead letter anyway.


14 posted on 07/18/2013 10:48:04 AM PDT by Slambat
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Or as that great philosopher, Billy Preston sang, “Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.”


19 posted on 07/18/2013 10:49:20 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Of course, it all boils down to “where did God (or some other first cause) come from?”

And so far as I know, no one has been able to answer that.

I intend to ask God myself, when He calls me home, and I see hi at last.


20 posted on 07/18/2013 10:50:44 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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It seems Ben Bernanke, Obama et al can create fiscal solvency, seemingly. So why not create something from a nothing nothingness. Already been done.


21 posted on 07/18/2013 10:51:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Christians argue for the creation of the universe ex nihilio, which is not foreclosed by the prospect that the initial singularity arouse as a result of a fluctuation in the vacuum state [in fact, it is a scientific proof of creation from nothing, by definition.]

If the laws of quantum mechanics existed: Who created the law? And why would creating laws which led to the initial singularity make God any less great than He is?

Arguing against materialism is ultimately an argument God, who uses material agencies, including law and meta law, and physics and metaphysics, to achieve His ends.

22 posted on 07/18/2013 10:51:19 AM PDT by FredZarguna (They Old School. We New School. We don't read cursive in New School. My Generation. We retahded, sir)
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It’s only been done once that I know of................


27 posted on 07/18/2013 10:52:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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Hope springs eternal. BEEP!


32 posted on 07/18/2013 10:54:19 AM PDT by YHAOS
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According to the First Law of Thermodynamics, nothing in the Universe (i.e., matter or energy) can pop into existence from nothing (see Miller, 2013).

Not true. Yes, in the long run energy is conserved but for short times one version of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, (delta E)(delta T) > h/2*pi, shows that anti-particles with non-zero mass (i.e. energy) can pop up and then recombine a short time later. This is observed repeatedly in nuclear particle accelerator experiments. The vacuum is not just emptiness but a seething sea of these particles. This leads to macro effects such as the Casimir effect, a force between two uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum placed a few micrometers apart, which has been observed experimentally.
33 posted on 07/18/2013 10:54:41 AM PDT by fifedom
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“In 1973, physicist Edward Tryon of the Hunter College of the City University of New York published a paper in the British science journal Nature titled, “Is the Universe a Vacuum Fluctuation?””

Well, in 1953 Philip K. Dick wrote “The Trouble With Bubbles”, which explores the problems of such Quantum Monkey-wrenching...


37 posted on 07/18/2013 10:56:08 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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It’s an interesting mental exercise considering the materialistic model of the universe.

Consider that your average super giant star, when it goes supernova, collapses into a black hole which has such a strong gravitational attraction that not even light can escape and the fabric of space itself is twisted.

And that’s just ONE star.

Now, here these ID deniers come along and tell us with a straight face, that billions of years ago, the entire mass of the entire known universe was contained in something called singularity. That’s a LOT of stars. And then some.

So space and time did not yet exist, but this blob (for lack of a better term) was sitting there, when there was no were to sit, for an indeterminate amount of time, even though time did not yet exist and nobody knows where that was or how long it took.

Then, for some reason, this singularity in one trillion-trilliointh of a second suddenly expanded to fill almost the entire expanse of the now known universe, even though nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, and the gravitational attraction of that much matter should have precluded ANYTHING from escaping in the least.

And then creationists and IDers are ridiculed for believing stuff on faith with no hard scientific evidence.

And that doesn’t even account for all the order and information present in creation that we see now. That just deals with the beginning.

Kind of hypocritical, is it not?


47 posted on 07/18/2013 11:06:08 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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Nope. That is God’s job


51 posted on 07/18/2013 11:09:38 AM PDT by Cyman
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A particle of matter and a particle of anti-matter can collide and result in nothing.

I don't see why a particle of matter and a particle of anti-matter can't be spawned from nothing.

But I think that what is really going on there is that their are dimensions of our universe that are invisible to us.

I also think that the basis of consciousness is hidden in one or more of those dimensions.

52 posted on 07/18/2013 11:11:26 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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bump for later reading


60 posted on 07/18/2013 11:20:16 AM PDT by techcor
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