Just because somebody annoys you does not mean you have the right to pummel them. That is the foundation of civilized society.
LITTLE TRAYVON: "You got a problem?"
MONSTER GEORGE: "No."
LITTLE TRAYVON: "You do now."
Nope, pounding someones head on the concrete would never be considered legitimate self defense under any circumstances.
That is a good analysis, Kristinn. Probably very close to how the whole incident went down.
HST, my contention is that Martin provoked the fight that led to his death — he could have — should have — gone to his father’s condo rather than conFRonting Zimmerman.
I’ll be interested to see how the lawyers FRame it in their arguments and counter-arguments.
I’m rooting for a Zimmerman acquittal, followed by a Zimmerman lawsuit against the state of Flori-duh for wrongful arrest and prosecution.
I disagee.
IF (big if) Zimmerman made mistakes, they were overridden by the mistakes and bad decisions Martin made. Mistakes which cost NO_LIMIT_***** his life.
And then to compound this miscarriae of justice - racist overtones by Crump, Sharpton, Obama and other racists have only added fuel to the fire.
If T had gone back to the apt and gone inside, instead of trying to find and confront the person he said was following him, he would not have died that night, nor would Z be in this trouble.
This will be twisted around - already has been -that Z was wrong for following T and doubly wrong for allegedly not doing what the dispatcher said, with the caveat that Z did head back to his vehicle after the dispatcher’s statement, but was confronted anyway.
But the simple point is that Z was well within his rights to be looking at the individual’s movements that night, and that once T said somebody’s following me, all that needed to happen was for T to go inside the apt.
I’m all for thinking about both sides of the story. The problem is that your presentation TM is simply noncredible. Your own post had to back TM up five years in age to pretend that he was anything other than the street fighting druggie gangsta thug that his Facebook, IMs, school records, and all the other evidence shows he is.
You paint the question of why he didn’t go back to his family’s house as something to wonder about. The creep circled around to confront GZ. There’s no innocent conduct here. And even if this was just a stupid kid who made all the wrong choices that night, that doesn’t change the fact that GZ was justified in believing that TM meant him death or imminent bodily harm.
That realization may have occurred to him for the first time about 2 seconds before he expired. Up until that point, I think it was all fun and games for the little thug.
Does anyone know over what distance these events took place? Or how far Trayvon would had to have walked to get back to the apartment he was returning to?
If he’d just kept on walking, how far was he from his destinaiton after he saw Zimmerman?
The entire prosecution case seems to be based on GZ's ONE statement about "these ass-holes always get away with it"... That statement is an explanation for why GZ FOLLOWED him... in no way does it show an intent to go KILL somebody.
There'd better be some additional, SHOCKING new evidence if they expect to get a guilty verdict.
What rubbish! The drug abusing, high on pot, jewlerly stealing, purple drank guzzing, suspended from school, fight club member, THUG, Trayvon Martin, did not fear for his life because of a cell phone.
If Martin had gone in his pocket to pull out his cell phone and Zimmerman had pulled his gun and shot him to death, would ANYBODY say he was justified?
Martin was a THUG, high on drugs, who resented being questioned by a neighborhood watchman and then brutally attacked him.
Nobody has the right to try to administer a beat down on another person just because they looked at them. Even if they are stoned and not thinking
Trayvon earned what he got.
The goal of the Circus in Sanford is to get both the Stand Your Ground law and the Castle Doctrine struck down, creating court precedent for Leftist activists to get similar laws in other states stricken from the books.
That way, citizens cannot defend themselves when the Gibsmedats come boiling out of the urban kraals. Jesse and Al, as well as the NBPP, have already stated that there WILL be riots, regardless of the verdict.
Back-door Gun Control, legislated from the bench. That’s all there ever is or was to this case.
It is not known why Martin did not go straight to his father’s then-girlfriend’s townhouse. He could have gotten disoriented in the evening rain as he tried to get away from the stranger, or he could have decided to confront the stranger who had gotten out of his vehicle in the rain to follow him.
And they forgot to mention that witness * testified that she told Martin to just let it go, but he didn’t. This is BEFORE Z and M met again.
With the exception that the article is slightly softer on Martin than me (and only slightly), I think he has nailed the whole thing.
He has also nicely summed up why this is Z’s case to lose, and any competant attorney should be able to handle this with “half his brain tied behind his back.”
Buildings? Let's get this right. These were houses. You walk close enough to my house to stay out of the rain, and I'll confront you myself.
Zimmerman was doing what neighborhood watch is supposed to do, watch suspicious people and report suspicious activity.
I have a question. They are making much of Zimmerman calling the police on black “youth†previously. What was the racial make up of the neighborhood? And a second question. Did the robberies stop after St Tryvon of Martin behaved stupidly?
All the what if’s and could have been shouldn’t really matter. The events before and after the fatal encounter may help to explain the confrontation but the point of legality is the physical encounter itself. Who initiated potentially fatal force that was met with successful deadly force? Who was on the offense and whom was on the defense? That should be the basis of this trial. Everything else is material for the media talking heads and race baiters.
Incorrect implication. They left out the fact Martin sought out and walked *towards* Z, who was walking back towards his car...