Posted on 06/20/2013 6:51:51 AM PDT by fishtank
New Fossil Book Won't Showcase Obvious Catastrophe by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
Not just horses and fish, but—like a whole ancient zoo buried together—lizards, alligators, stingrays, snakes, squirrel varieties, bats, long-tailed turtles, lemur-like primates, birds, frogs, insects, and sycamore, palm, and fern leaves were all fossilized in Wyoming's Green River Formation. A new book showcasing some of the more spectacular fossils provides secularists another opportunity to reinforce their ideas about how these diverse creatures were encased in what became a giant rock formation. Commonsense observations refute their slow-and-gradual scenario, however, and point to a more violent explanation.
Lance Grande collected the stunning fossil images for the book, The Lost World of Fossil Lake: Snapshots from Deep Time. He works as one of the curators at Chicago's Field Museum of Natural History. One of his images shows a now-extinct variety of horse—one with a tiny stature and long hind legs for its size—surrounded by fossil fish. Horses and fish don't usually hang out together, but apparently they died together. How did they end up in the same fossilized bed?
LiveScience featured some of the book's images on its website, including the "Mini-Horse." There, its image caption reads, "Researchers aren't sure how the horse ended up at the bottom of the middle of Fossil Lake but they suspect it drowned, possibly trying to escape a predator."1 Then, supposedly its carcass sank neatly to the bottom without having been scavenged by any of the many fish represented in the formation's fossils.
The horse body's next trick also defied commonsense. According to LiveScience, "Over thousands of years, dead animals rained down into the muck deep below the surface of long-gone Fossil Lake."2 Not only does the slow-and-gradual story require a magic wand to wave off the persistent problem of scavenging, but it calls upon the ancient deep "muck" to do what experiments have shown it cannot do—keep a carcass from rotting away to nothing.
And what strange process preserved these animal bodies so well as they supposedly rested on the lake bed before the slow-settling sediments covered and buried them over the long years? This story defies horse sense. Clearly, they had to have been buried deeply by fast-building sediment in order to preserve at such high quality.
Supposedly, a lack of oxygen preserved the whole carcasses. But God created microbes to function even without readily available oxygen. The problem is that fish and other animal carcasses rot in just a few weeks, even when buried in mud that has very little oxygen.3 What the scavengers don't eat, anoxic microbes quickly consume. That is why today's anoxic lake and ocean bottom muds form no fossils.
Whatever buried the horse did so rapidly and catastrophically. Fast-flowing water mixed with fresh volcanic ash and washed over the diverse assembly of creatures, burying them alive and trapping them in the Green River's series of basins.
The Genesis Flood provides a context for that catastrophe. Some creation geologists suggest that residual catastrophes immediately after the Flood formed Green River Formation, while others propose that it formed when water ran off the continents in the waning Flood months. Either scenario sets a catastrophic-enough stage to trump slow-and-gradual speculations and to bury alligators, horses, lizards, and fish together quickly and completely.
References
Gannon, M. Images: Stingray Sex, Mini-Horses & Other Curiosities of Fossil Lake. LiveScience. Posted on LiveScience.com June 9, 2013, accessed June 10, 2013.
Gannon, M. Lost World Locked in Stone at Fossil Lake. LiveScience. Posted on LiveScience.com June 9, 2013, accessed June 10, 2013.
Donovan, S.K., (Ed.) 1991. The Process of fossilization. New York: Columbia University Press, 120-129.
Image credit: Lance Grande from The Lost World of Fossil Lake: Snapshots from Deep Time, © 2013, the University of Chicago Press. Adapted for use in accordance with federal copyright (fair use doctrine) law. Usage by ICR does not imply endorsement of copyright holders.
* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.
Article posted on June 17, 2013.
Variations in DNA from generation to generation.
It exists prior to large dogs and small dogs.
And your evidence for that is...?
Do you get up in the morning look at your computer and say, Man, I’m glad that computer evolved for me.
No. Computers don't reproduce themselves. Comparing the construction of a computer to the evolutionary process would be stupid.
I love it when people who've run out of arguments pretend that they're bored with the conversation all of a sudden. It's okay, you can go back to sleep.
sleep is Good!!!!
and refreshing....especially the older you get.
“...who’ve run out of arguments pretend ...”
Circular reasoning makes my head spin...thus dizzy..thus sleepy.
Thanks!! I am ready to sleep
;)
So tell me again where all this complex genetic information comes from. exactly where. Prove to me the source of NEW genetic information.
I at least gave you an example of mendle, who proved the genetic information existed prior and our work in breeds is just manipulation for expression.
You gave me garbage and NO PROOF. Except magically the variations appear.
The complexity of a dog or tree does not magically appear anymore than the complexity of a computer on your desk.
Evolutionist Gordon Ratray Taylor wrote: “In all the thousands of fly-breeding experiments carried out all over the world for more than fifty years, a distinct new species has never been seen to emerge...” (1983, p. 34).
I’m aware of fluctuating coastlines due to changes in sea levels. What I can’t see any evidence for is a land bridge that may have existed connecting the Americas to Europe.
Our understanding of biology has grown steadily over the centuries, leading us closer to the true number. We now know more about the full diversity of land animals, for instance. We have also learned that many species may belong to the same kind. If species can interbreed and produce hybrids, it is assumed that they descended from a pair of animals on the Ark that could interbreed.
For instance, big cats like lions and tigers can be interbred with each other, creating hybrid “ligers” and “tigons.” Indeed, it appears that all members of the cat family (Felidae) may be connected through a series of hybrid pairings that ultimately connects different cat species to each other. In such cases, it seems that only one original “kind” onboard the Ark produced all of these species. So if “kind” is above species, where does it lie in our modern taxonomy?
-Dr. Marcus Ross
“....evidence for is a land bridge that may have existed connecting the Americas to Europe.....”
Why do we need a connection there??
If animals originated from the ark, they would have spread out from there.(east turkey)
making use of Bering strait to get into Americas
I agree. I take a nap every day.
You mean besides the relatively shallow depth of the strait between Siberian Peninsula and Alaska? Or the possibility that such land-bridges had existed across the narrow equatorial Atlantic then sunk into the sea over the course of time -- considering the geographical calamity and dynamics of a still convulsing planet even after the Great Flood? Geraldo wasn't there with a camera crew so we KNOW it couldn't have happened, eh?
Will you also ask for explanation and "proof" that Mount Everest (with its discovered seas shells) was once under the sea? Or whether coal formations in the Antarctic proof much vegetation, ferns, and creatures once existed there?
Not sure what kind of proof you want. There is genetic variation from one generation of an organism to the next, some of which is due to mutations (i.e., something new). Scientists have found the gene that distinguishes small dogs from large breeds. The large ones have one form of the gene, the small ones have a different form that scientists think is a mutated form.
I at least gave you an example of mendle, who proved the genetic information existed prior...
He proved no such thing. He worked with existing genetic information, yes. But he didn't prove that all genetic information was pre-existing.
You assert that there's no new genetic information. So you should be able to find an example of a dog, or wolf, that has both the large-breed gene and the small-breed gene, just waiting to be expressed. I'll wait.
If We started off with a dog that had the DNA code to give say; black, brown, red, white, or other colors. After we kept picking the brown ones, won’t we eventually had dogs that had lost the code for black, white, red, or any other color? We did not get more DNA code or information. We actually LOST information. Do not Evolutionists claim that all the different breeds of dogs are evidence that dogs can evolve and gain new DNA code?
But In fact, the different breeds of dogs prove just the opposite, since new DNA information is never added.
In truth, the different varieties of dogs prove to us that In nature, the Law of Biogenesis says that all animals come from other animals of their own kind.
They have not been giving birth to something other than a dog or cat.
K.Butte
Apparently not immediately. Divine intervention not withstanding. Or don't you believe the Creator of the Universe possesses that kind of command of His Creatures and His "Natural Law"?
Indeed, what did any of the creatures eat once they left the ark given that the entire land surface was salty mud and the food chain would have to start from zero?
I suppose some things will have to remain a mystery, but even bears eat berries and plants.
Given the substantial difference in Planet Earth and Divine Intervention that both preceded and followed the Great Flood, I'm sure The Creator wasn't at all befuddled; the problem of food and accelerated seed and plant growth was somehow addressed. Perhaps by washing away the salinity with fresh water (which is lighter than salt water and because of that scientific fact was the last of the flood waters to sink back into the ground.)
If, as you claim, the continents relocated themselves by thousands of kilometers after the flood waters receded in a very short period of time, how did both marine and terrestial life survive the unimaginable vulcanism, earthquakes, tsunamis and atmosphere changing gases?
Many probably became extinct. Many others adapted. Between the change in air pressure, oxygen level, climate and those factors which you mention there were probably far more species of animals than we'll ever know that perished; Some are just...fossils and bones at museums. Makes for fascinating speculation, doesn't it? But I digress...
All that said, there is absolutely NO scientific proof of "evolution" or "transitional" species in the middle of developing legs from fins or vice-versa. NONE. No Fossils, NO remains. :-( Sure, we've seen mules "created," but they're mostly sterile, aren't they? OR if they breed, that pass down either the DNA of a horse or Donkey.
As to the issue of "dating," ALL the historical Dating methodologies are notoriously inaccurate -- not that establishment scientific community will ever concede the point. Several fragile assumptions must apply -- "contamination" of the decay rate, radiation, and processes is inevitable. With respect to "field conditions" to this ever changing planet and alterations, a "closed system" has been impossible. Ergo, "The Clock" is off. But obviously because hard-core Evolutionists NEED the history of the planet extended as long as possible for all those billions of monkeys tapping out typewriters for bililions of years....the very first MAD Magazine was finally created!
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But In fact, the different breeds of dogs prove just the opposite, since new DNA information is never added.
In truth, the different varieties of dogs prove to us that In nature, the Law of Biogenesis says that all animals come from other animals of their own kind. They have not been giving birth to something other than a dog or cat.
Irrefutable truths. Will someone, anyone who supports "evolution" please cite science's proof of DNA transmutation of ANY newly created or "transitional creature"?
Wait...Hey! Didn't Horton hatch an egg? :-) Hmmm...
For the record, the great halls of "Science" insisted 'Piltdown Man' was an actual "Missing Evolutionary Link" for about 40 years, taught in schools, and displayed in museums...insisting it was "millions of years old" -- before the Hoax was finally exposed.
That's a hypothesis, certainly. The next thing you do is start trying to confirm that hypothesis. As I said above, find the dog with both forms of the size gene.
They have not been giving birth to something other than a dog or cat.
This is, really, a meaningless statement. First of all, nobody ever claimed that an organism would give birth to something that was of a different species. (That would go a long way toward disproving evolution, in fact.) Second, what's a "dog"? How much would something have to change before you weren't willing to call it a dog anymore? Remember that it would be changing into something new, not something you're already familiar with.
Oh good, another one-off, ad hoc explanation.
I suppose some things will have to remain a mystery,
Better than another ad hoc explanation.
All that said, there is absolutely NO scientific proof of "evolution" or "transitional" species in the middle of developing legs from fins or vice-versa. NONE. No Fossils, NO remains.
Actually, there are lots. Google tiktaalik. And then remember that they found this transitional species because they figured out where there was a gap in the fossil record, and then looked in geologic formations of the appropriate age. Hypothesis -> prediction -> experiment -> confirmation, just like the scientific method dictates. Let's see creation science do that!
And why would THEY lie, right? I hate to break it to you...but scientists are a LOT like the government. POLITICAL. "Global Warming" was a "standard theory" if I recall, wasn't it?
Btw, as I've mentioned, the various Dating methods are inaccurate because the criteria and field conditions are inconsistent, contaminated, the entire planet and atmosphere and level of radiation changed with the Flood, and thus make these methods inaccurate. Oddly, dating methods seem to work better (if at all) since the time of the Great Flood.
FWIW "millions of years" isn't proven in any case; Nor especially the comically arbitrary "billions" of years tossed around and added on every 20 years of so since the early 1900s.
Millions, hundreds of thousands, I don't care: the point is, scientists say it took evolution a looong time to accomplish something that those who would posit a single cat kind on the Ark say took only 4,000 years.
"Single cat-kind"? Is that verbatim? Or did Kimtom post that there were indeed "two of every cat "kind." Altogether different context.
Either all 37 extant species of cats were represented on the Ark, or some lower number of "kinds" were. If the latter, then it necessarily follows that multiple species descended from the same common ancestor.
Yes, the term "37 extant species of cats" is posted all over the interwebs. How do you know they are all THE "original" breed? Did you happen to analyze how many Lynxes are included? Or how similar Jaguars, Leopards, and Cheetahs are? Or the various smaller cats which DO breed rather easily. You know what's odd? The human race is comprised of extremes of Blue-Black, lily-White, Red, and Yellow. And all shades in between. It's called "variation." For all we know, Adam was Black and Eve was White. Are you really going to die on this Cat Hill? Or a Doggie Hill for that matter? Ever see a Beagle-German Shepherd mix? (Worst attitude and ugliest dog I've ever seen. God's a funny guy sometimes.)
You mean besides "standard theory" as defined by evolutionary scientists?
You say that seemingly without realizing that the advent of these methods pre-dates the claimed occurrance of the flood. There is no comparative data in existence upon which to base that assesment.
You apparently have no shame or sense of ethics or in the statements you make - the end us justifying the means.
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