Posted on 04/02/2013 4:03:00 PM PDT by plain talk
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has responded to a letter dated November 13, 2012 from Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) regarding the agency's ammunition purchases. Sen. Coburn published the response on the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs website yesterday, April 1, 2013.
The response, dated February 4, 2013, says that DHS buys ammunition in bulk to "significantly lower costs."
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Thanks for the info. I didn't know that we are not a signatory. However, I do know that FMJ is a better choice against those who care to drag their wounded comrades off the battlefield. Not so certain that works with Islamist fighters. Any ME combat infantry here want to elaborate on that?
Read this incredible story posted on FR a while back. Throughout history, there have been poorly equipped armies that emerge as victors. Revolutionary war vs Britain comes to mind.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts
What I can’t understand in your posts is how you dismiss all of this as a “non-story.” The fact remains that the ammo is gone. You assume that because the DHS is not actually purchasing the billions of rounds and panic buying has been the unintended result, that there is nothing to see here. This is not some Alex Jones conspiracy I am suggesting; as I said in a previous post: Panic buying of ammo still depletes the ammo supply, regardless of the true cause of that panic. That in and of itself is a huge matter.
We know many cops will, and they live in the same areas they patrol.
Take troops from Texas to Ohio and they will have little problem following orders.
So do I.
Mainly because I reload, buy in bulk, and don’t want to have a mixture of bullet types and loads to worry about.
www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-4261
FMJ will also go through barriers better than HP or expanding bullets.
In other words, if you want to get the guy behind the door, sand bag, etc, FMJ is a better choice.
Read this story posted on FR a while back.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts
“...ChiComm apes ....”
Tsk, tsk...Now, now Sarge...they’re our “friends” now, remember?
We have to be all Mao-y politically correct.
They’re “COMRADE ChiComm” now.
Okay to lower costs but why hollow-points and why non-military calibers? Hmmm?
Earth-to-Janet: We read you loud and clear. You are not kidding anybody.
Bull$h!t!
Better choice for whom? Again, you should be much more careful about repeating the foolishness uttered by low information folks.
The prime consideration when defending yourself from a deadly threat is to incapacitate the villain as quickly and certainly as possible. The wound inflicted from an FMJ bullet bullet may not incapacitate the aggressor quickly enough to prevent him from administering a hollow point bullet to you before he collapses. Yeah, his buddies can then drag him off for medical treatment while the coroner writes his report on you.
It would be $75 a shirt from Brooks Brothers.
The situation is running an eerie parallel to the Y2K and Anthropogenic Global Warming hoaxes. Advocates have adopted the unsubstantiated beliefs from ignorant folks and/or charlatans into a faith based religion. Any information that seems to bolster their beliefs is coveted while contrary data is rejected with anger. It is not possible to deal rationally with such people. They believe what they want to believe and nothing else. Period.
A few posters here do genuinely understand the situation, are proficient in mathematics and have tried valiantly to educate the rest of you, only to be ridiculed by the True Believers. See posts #37, #71, #75, #80, #101, #126, #132 & #136 for sound information on the subject. Freeper "Strategerist" has a particularly good understanding of the situation.
Relative to the Hollow Point versus FMJ bullet controversy, there is very little difference between the manufacturing cost and large scale contractual pricing of ammunition loaded with those types of bullets. The difference in "Premium" ammunition pricing versus FMJ promotional product pricing on the commercial market cannot be used to make assumptions about pricing for competitively bid government contracts. Unlike the commercial market, most of the hollow point bulleted ammunition purchased by the government does not incorporate nickel-plated shellcases, to save money. Yes, they have budgets, just like you.
A few posters did point out that many of the government agencies are required to practice with the same ammunition that they use for duty. And for good reason. Legal liability is one, coupled with the need to verify proper gun functioning with street ammo, the same recoil, the same sight settings, the same muzzle flash, the same muzzle blast, the same trajectory, the same point of impact, the same accuracy, etceteras.
The truth shall set you free. Most of you at least. Some here just don't seem to be able to handle the truth.
Partially true but misleading. Federal licensing for ammunition manufacturing does not address the subject of allocating manufacturing resources. A specific contract for ammunition supply to the government does require a precedence to complete that contract as required.
Under which rock have you been hiding old timer? The use of wad cutter bullets for cheap target practice died with the death of .38 Special revolvers for police use several decades ago.
Most law enforcement agencies transitioned to 9mm Luger in the 1980's and have since mostly upgraded to the .40 S&W cartridge now. Wad cutter bullet loadings for both are non existent.
Enhanced performance jacketed, hollow-point, bullets now rule the roost. Metallic lead bullets are appropriate for muzzle loaders and black powder guns.
Ok, I tried twice with Stratergist and he/she would not answer so now I will ask you. Where is the ammo? Forget whether or not a billion plus rounds may or may not have been bought by DHS. I’m sure you would conclude that it is due to panic buying(?) The fact that people believe there to be a problem and act on that belief makes it a “real” issue. We are now into the 4th month of the largest ammo shortage I have seen in over 40 years. I am baffled by people who aren’t at somewhat concerned about this. Should we feel better about the lack of ammo because you have assured us it is not due to DHS purchases?
The amount of ammo that DHS is purchasing (or rather, placed orders for, since they are NOT receiving the ammo in a bulk shipment) is driving the prices of ammo for them, and for citizens, HIGHER, not lower. Their "reasoning" is a lie.
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