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1 posted on 02/24/2013 10:48:07 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

BOOYAH! I love it, he FINALLY forced the cop to admit that he had no grounds for stopping him and made the cop let him go with his gun.


2 posted on 02/24/2013 11:04:40 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Nachum

Most cops are ignorant of the law, but worse, they are generally cops because they have a chip on their shoulders. At least in this case the cop remained calm and was willing to carry on a conversation with the law student. In a lot of places, if the student had “failed the attitude test” he would’ve been subdued, handcuffed and run in.


3 posted on 02/24/2013 11:10:32 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Nachum
Very good on the law. Could have been more polite and professional towards the officer even if he did set it up. Tone of voice not quite right indicating hostility. Should have given first name and been nice and then stated the facts. Overall...good demonstration of the law.

However, not good to carry any handgun openly anywhere especially in this day and time unless one is an officer. Just not wise.

4 posted on 02/24/2013 11:11:45 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Nachum

One of my daughters starts law school in the fall, I hope she grows a pair as big as this dude.


6 posted on 02/24/2013 11:13:46 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Nachum

A few things: first of all, be very aware that this situation could have quickly “Rodney King’ed”, not just over the gun, but of video recording the police officer. While he might be completely in the right, and would win a big settlement in court, he still might end up in the hospital.

For this reason, the best education you can give a police officer is before such incidents happen in the first place.

Remember that a lot of the gun liberty laws are brand new for everyone, and while LEOs are supposed to be up on the law, in truth they are more like feline predators, looking for something to pounce on. And then figure it out after. It is in the nature of the job.

Once the police are used to the idea of the new gun liberty laws, when they got a call from some hysteric of “a man with a gun”, they would have explained the situation to them, instead of confronting the gun holder.

But it will take a little while.

In a place not used to open or concealed carry, it is not a bad idea to give the managers of businesses you frequent a one page handout to show to their employees, giving a little instruction instead of unintentionally causing a fuss because they don’t know.

The best result is, “Oh, he comes here now and then. He carries a gun. No big deal.”


11 posted on 02/24/2013 12:05:46 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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Not too long ago, the cop would have clubbed the kid, took his gun, and arrested him for disorderly conduct and maybe even assault on an officer.

That has changed now that everything gets recorded on video.

Which is why cops hate being recorded.


12 posted on 02/24/2013 12:07:44 PM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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Nice job! Glad he won. He should get a ‘A’ for some class in law school!

It is too bad they don’t teach the police the law, too, but I do commend the cop for keeping cool.

Of course, the cop might have known the law and just used the typical cop language and power attitude to try to intimidate the guy. The way he gave up indicates that might be the case.

If the cop was on roids the cop might have shoved the guy’s face through the sidewalk. “Screw the law, em-effer! One more word out of you and you’re dead!”

Man, we should write down the kid’s script, print it up on cards, and hand it out to all CC folks. NRA, get on this project, pronto!


13 posted on 02/24/2013 12:08:49 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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If the illegal stop cut into his schedule and cost him money then he has a TORT against the officer, and since illegally stopping people isn’t part of his duties I’m pretty sure simply having a badge would provide NO defense against a tort claim.

Kid should sue him for $100, for practice, I think.


14 posted on 02/24/2013 12:13:37 PM PST by gaijin
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ping


16 posted on 02/24/2013 12:25:51 PM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: Nachum

For later


18 posted on 02/24/2013 12:40:46 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Nachum

For later


20 posted on 02/24/2013 12:43:44 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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DeBerry v. US. I MUST remember that one.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1027378.html

JoMa


21 posted on 02/24/2013 12:58:15 PM PST by joma89
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To: Nachum

Police can try a consensual conversation...perfectly justified in doing so. Hopefully the carrying party understands the dynamics in play and not be a di@@ about it. If the carryer insists on leaving, without any reasonable suspicion, police must let them walk.


25 posted on 02/24/2013 1:17:51 PM PST by bike800
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To: Nachum

Good thing the student wasn’t walking a dog.


27 posted on 02/24/2013 1:32:25 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Nachum

The most instructive point here is that the officer repeatedly dodged the question of whether simply carrying a gun was illegal. He literally had a “papers, please” mentality.


28 posted on 02/24/2013 1:43:40 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Nachum
That was excellent! That young man knew exactly what to say and how to say it. Keep in mind that that won't work out quite that way in every jurisdiction in the country but he obviously knows the law well enough to know how to proceed if the cops do decided to break the law.

Good primer on how to deal with a stop like that. Bookmarked.

33 posted on 02/24/2013 3:38:49 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Nachum

Happened in portland maine.


35 posted on 02/24/2013 3:45:37 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Nachum

The video was removed.
Anyone know where else it might be?


47 posted on 02/25/2013 7:06:29 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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