Posted on 11/17/2012 6:37:33 PM PST by Zeneta
The core issues that face our nation are clearly present in the fundamentally beliefs of our people. The ones that have voted for socialism, and most don't know it or where we are headed as a result. We can point to education, yes, or how liberalism has taken over virtually every aspect of every institution, including big business, and say, "we need to stop or change this".
But how ?
True. But total collapse means the regime loses control. life is primitive, survival of the fittest, or those preseved by God as they depend solely on Him.
If the SHTF big time, even O loses control.......and the military and LEO’s will not follow him........
I hope......
A major criticism of the Constitution was the absence of a Bill of Rights. Aside from its obvious protections, they viewed a BOR as sort of a text for continuing education in the foundations of our society.
The reason some societies held on to their God given rights like jealous lovers was because they were reminded of them often in schools, newspapers and public proclamations. In Great Britain, Magna Charta was read twice a year in public places, not that it would lose its validity without such confirmations, but to fix the contents of it in the minds of the people.
If neglected, we were sure to descend to the pitiful condition of man in mainland Europe, where they accepted their very existence to be at the whim of despots.
A republic cannot be maintained by a people ignorant of the traditions and ideas essential to their political happiness. We are very close to accepting the slavish condition endured by most men throughout history.
If the total collapse devolves into civil war the military will fracture with some being loyal to 0bama and others loyal to the Constitution. The real danger is if an opportunistic foreign power makes a deal with 0bama to send in troops under the U.N. umbrella and allow him to remain a figurehead dictator while they make all the decisions.
On the flip side a conservative with real leadership skills would probably be a lot more effective.
We should just concede the FedGov™ to the socialists. It is lost. Having said that, we need to create 50 states with Republican governors a legislatures that will wield the power of the 10th amendment up to and including the option of secession. There was a time when the state was superior to the Federal, it can happen again. It is the way the Constitution originally codified our republic.
A possibility - no one knows, and I’m sure we all will be shocked...but I think the percentage of military following O will be small......
And yes, O calling on a foreign power would be the ultimate disaster - and coup for him......but I think at that point he’d lose the masses.....
The closing portion of your post illustrates the fact that the main problem isn’t with the brain-washed “Ozombies,” as you call them. It’s with the Christians who know the truth, but refuse to walk thereby when it comes to their politics.
If they keep compromising self-evident truth and principle, there is no hope for this republic.
Conversely, if they will turn around and simply do what is right, the country will be put back aright practically overnight.
No, it didn't. The ratification of the Constitution created a system in which the general government and the state governments shared dual sovereignty. Certain characteristics of sovereignty were vested solely in the national government. All the rest of the characteristics of sovereignty were left with the states, or the people.
They are running the documentary in its entirety at the link you posted...not sure how long that will last. A must see.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
First, it is of course just one part of an effort that needs to be considered.
While I’m not terribly concerned with monitoring initially, I am concerned with controlling and the staging of multiple messages. I believe the effectiveness of such a campaign could be undermined by so called “free lance” messengers.
I like Springfield’s example of what he saw in Australia. A simple statement that provokes thought and curiosity.
Here’s just one idea,(btw, I like the idea of embedding tiles in the pavement, like the Toynbee example)
Toynbee Tiles: A Mysterious Puzzle that Spans the Globe
My thought is to place them in sufficient numbers around Universities, Malls and other heavily trafficked streets.
I want people to see them and say or think:
Wow, that is really odd (random)
What does it mean ?
And
Who did this ?
Example tile: “It’s alright, They told you what to Dream”
That statement/message is a slight variation of a line from a Pink Floyd song. So, it can be sourced indirectly but the main lyric of the song is “Welcome to the Machine”
The concept here is to undermine their confidence in the system. This would be followed up by other messages which become part of a bigger puzzle to be solved.
I hope you can appreciate the importance of controlling the messages and avoiding copy cats or free lancers.
I think there is a lot of truth in your statement.
I’m also certain you would agree that even within the Christian community there are widely held beliefs and they aren’t just political.
It is clear that you can’t bring someone to Christ by reading scripture and saying “because the Bible says so”.
The same holds true for someone that has a world view about politics when their foundations for that view are based on the brainwashing that has occurred. A foundation of Multiculturalism, Moral relativism and politically correct speech is one that is unlikely to be overcome short of a personal crisis.
BTW, my research of Cristian Apologetics has led me to the conclusion that individuals need to discover truth for themselves.
There is a lot more behind this concept than “Let’s play some game”.
This is about how people see themselves, the world around them and how people change their opinions or beliefs.
Unfortunately I don't think it will work with conservatives. Most of the culture jamming I have seen that has been effective involves some level of illegality. Either messages are put in places without the consent of the owner or sophisticated methods are used to gain access to meetings, etc. under false pretenses so that a fake spokesperson can give a message that was not expected by the formal attendees.
Freepers are all about following the spirit and LETTER of the law. It would be hard to get them to back a movement that would require placing messages, like graffiti, on buildings or in places where permission was not granted. It would be near impossible to get Freepers to engage in trespass, etc.
Certainly you can do what some have done and purchase billboard time, etc. but that could get real costly and the mainline outdoor advertising companies may not allow you to even purchase time on signs where your message would be most effective.
Thanks for replying.
I’m not looking to start a “movement” that freepers could get behind. I am looking for feedback and someone to help create effective messages and develop a network of people that would place the massages. It is critical that messages are controlled and anonymity is maintained.
As far as legality is concerned, I’m not a fan of graffiti but placing a 12 by 12 tile that gets embedded in the asphalt I’m OK with.
I don’t consider it effective to “crash” an event under false pretenses.
The idea is to get people to think for themselves without disclosing the messenger.
Check out the article at Wired about Toynbee:
I recently saw a couple of other videos related to culture jamming: 'The Yes Men' and 'Exit through the Gift Shop'. I believe that the Yes Men achieved a modicum of success in advancing their goals (whether or you or I agree with those goals) by crashing corporate events. I don't know that the main characters in 'Exit through the Gift Shop' were trying to advance a coherent message, but it is a window onto what some people are willing to do to get a message out there.
The idea of creating a mystery intrigues me. I worked my way through Pynchon's 'The Crying of Lot 49' and 'V', both of which centered around major characters searching out mysteries.
I remember that back in the 70's there were people going around putting up signs/graffiti/etc. that asked "Who is John Galt?" Their efforts may very well have led people to Ayn Rand's 'Atlas Shrugged'. Their efforts may very well have increased the number of libertarians. However, we now see that however large the group of libertarians is, their influence on governmental/budgetary/monetary policy is close to nil.
Mysteries are only ever going to appeal to a rather small subset of people. Those people are more likely to be of the nerdy non-social type. This will mean that whatever truths they gain will not spread far and wide.
Still, I'll spend some time thinking about this and get back to you if I have any great ideas. If it just gets a few people to stop and think then it might be worth whatever effort is involved.
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