America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers

Fox News ^ | Published July 12, 2012 | Arthur Herman

[MinorityRepublican]

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

Abe Lincoln used those words in 1858 to describe a country that was careening toward civil war. Now we’re a house divided again and another civil war is coming, with the 2012 election as its Gettysburg.

Call it America’s coming civil war between the Makers and the Takers.

On one side are those who create wealth, America’s private sector–the very ones targeted by President Obama’s tax hikes announced Monday.

On the other are the public employee unions; left-leaning intelligentsia who see the growth of government as index of progress; and the millions of Americans now dependent on government through a growing network of government transfer payments, from Medicaid and Social Security to college loans and corporate bailouts and handouts (think GM and Solyndra).

Over the past century America’s private sector has been the source of productivity, innovation, creativity, and growth–and gave us the iPhone and iPad. The public sector has been the engine of entitlement, stagnation, and decline -- and gave us Detroit and the South Bronx.

The private sector built the strongest economy in the world. It armed the free world in World War Two, and then in the three decades after the war turned America into the most prosperous society history had ever seen. It revived America in the Reagan and Clinton years, and thanks to the Bush tax cuts brought this country back from economic collapse after 9/11.

In those same years a growing public sector, by contrast, turned Europe into a cesspool of debt, stalled economies, and chronic social dysfunction that’s set the streets of Athens -- and perhaps other European capitals--on fire.

That’s where we’re headed, too, more rapidly than we like to think.

[Rage against the Left]

Fact is most of us never imagined that in our lifetimes something such as this would even be a topic of discussion . But due to 80 years of non stop radical leftist policies , America will look like Detroit in a very short time . I don't want future generations of Americans growing up in such a dysfunctional society . If the 47% grows to 55% ,or 65% , our votes will become even less of a change agent . And as long as Obama , Reid and Pelosi have control of the cookie jar , these things will come to pass . Texas seceding from the Union is now not so far fetched . I say when it comes to dealing with your enemies , take nothing off of the table . Besides , I have friends in Frisco , Texas . Newer community , close to DFW. Friendly folks . Really like it there .

[CharlesMartelsGhost]

piroque in comment 35 said that Louisiana has started such a petition.

[MamaTexan]

Why in the world does everyone invoke Lincoln when that treasonous bastard is the REASON we will again have to spill blood in an attempt to leave what was created as a voluntary union.

"The obvious deductions, which may be, and indeed have been drawn, from considering the Constitution as a Compact between the States, are, that it operates as a mere treaty, or convention between them, and has an obligatory force upon each State no longer than it suits its pleasure, or its consent continues;, that each State has a right to judge for itself in relation to the nature, extent, and obligations of the instrument, without being at all bound by the interpretation of the Federal Government, or by that of any other State; and that each retains the power to withdraw from the Confederacy, and to dissolve the connection, when such shall be its choice; and may suspend the operations of the Federal Government, and nullify its acts within its own territorial limits, whenever, in its own opinion, the exigency of the case may require. These conclusions may not always be avowed; but they flow naturally from the doctrines which we have under consideration. They go to the extent of reducing the Government to a mere Confederacy during pleasure; and of thus presenting the extraordinary spectacle of a nation existing only at the will of each of its constituent parts."
Story on the Constitution vol. I, Book 3, Sec. 321 [page 499]

[IronJack]

The red/blue map from this election looks almost identical to the one from 2004, except that I think Indiana went red this time.

[Siegfried X]

We really just need to be able to refuse to pay taxes. We can call it “freedom fighting” and “civil disobedience” like the supporters of illegal aliens do. Are there jury trials for income tax evasion? If so, jury nullification would work.

[familyop]

"I’m so sick and tired about seeing this bullshit about a comng civil war? It isn’t going to happen."

I agree. They're too soft and overly reliant on what they've seen on TV and circulated among themselves. They have no idea of what life in the field is like. They can't handle poverty and haven't really seen it. Secured tourist reserves in Third World countries don't count. Most of 'em aren't physically fit (understatement).

They're about to lose their civilian mechanized mobility for lack of funds from Uncle Samantha (austerity program about to begin). Nearly none of them have technical/engineering experience and lack ingenuity (bureaucrats, and all). They lack other skills that you and I are experienced with (if you did small arms--that is, infantry training). They don't like being uncomfortable enough to be effective.

Most of the remaining political hysteria is between two political parties comprised mostly of the more influential political constituents who depend on government for incomes. They've each taken sides based on which party promises each of their subgroups more of the debt.

As the monstrous pile of debt rises and becomes more worthless, they'll take "haircuts" on those incomes (as bond investors will). They're not the "makers" or producers that they claim to be. They're only screeching at each other over who gets most of the debt.

After those cuts in funding for their incomes, they'll be increasingly lacking in mobility and resources. They don't want to know the poverty in store for most of them, but they will.

We need a large manufacturing base to support fat, couch-potato bureaucrats and their kind. Many regulations (beginning with local ones) need to be repealed/abolished for that to happen. Manufacturing is where the real production happens (besides, farming, mining, drilling, etc.) for a great economy.

Members of the socialist, political/regulator class are good at starting cat fights with each other over the pile of debt, as we've seen. They might even gather on the streets to throw a few things at cops, as many debt/revenue-dependent Greeks have after their layoffs and funding/pension cuts. They insult and threaten from keyboards in their homes, but they won't start any kind of real civil war and don't really want one. Such an event wouldn't fit the little fictitious plays in their vainglorious imaginations.

The political/regulator class isn't smart enough or hard working enough to win so much as sustenance from real producers (manufacturers with shop employees on American soil, farmers, miners, all) in the long run. Real Americans, producing useful things with their minds and hands, will rebuild the economy. And there won't be any stinking "civil war"--only more squalor and helplessness than most can imagine, due to their own taking.

The real answer is deep cuts in government spending and abolitions/repeals of regulations, starting at local levels (e.g., county zoning ordinances against small manufacturing shops on lots more than five acres in the middle of nowhere). Then a high-speed rebuilding of the manufacturing base with inventions and innovations mostly coming from the small shops (larger pool of ingenuity without interference from contemporary academic, political or business so-called leadership).

[MinorityRepublican]

Oh, please. Stop with the civil war nonsense. Do you really expect people to support violence. Great way to attract new people to our party.

It is inevitable.

[2ndDivisionVet]

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts

[MamaTexan]

Oh, please. Stop with the civil war nonsense. Do you really expect people to support violence.

If someone was trying to rape you and you shot them dead, are you 'supporting violence'?

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Great way to attract new people to our party.

If someone cannot differentiate between violence and self-preservation, why would we want them?

[Cuttnhorse]

The word is “secession.”

Sometimes FReepers make me crazy with there poor grammer.

[Travis McGee]

CW2 Ping

[Travis McGee]

CW2 Ping

[Travis McGee]

Prior to the Civil War the North and South for the most part were contiguous in their areas of influence. There was wide spread support for the goals of the repsective antoganists. Modern day America is balkanized into incoherent areas of influence. There isn’t even widespread support for closing the border let alone defending real American values in a civil war.

It will be worse this time, more like Bosnia, or the Spanish Civil War.

[GeronL]

big bump

[varyouga]

“I’m so sick and tired about seeing this bullshit about a comng civil war? It isn’t going to happen.”

Exactly 4 years ago I told a room full of people “calm down, a guy named Barack Hussein Obama with no record will never be elected President of these United States. It can't happen.”

[GeronL]

The sad news is that some FReepers will take sides with the leftist if a war breaks out.

They blame Romney’s loss on conservatives, lol.

You can find comments to that effect here:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/2956790/posts?page=14

[little jeremiah]

Why can’t a civil war happen?

Other than your say-so, reasons please.

[varyouga]

America needs a divorce

Split all assets and land down the middle.

One side will be a socialist limitless welfare state and one side a capitalist state with a strictly limited government.

Let people move where they choose and pay for their relocation.

Secure the border.

Watch the parasites starve in one generation and get a real education on communism.

[varyouga]

America needs a divorce

Split all assets and land down the middle.

One side will be a socialist limitless welfare state and one side a capitalist state with a strictly limited government.

Let people move where they choose and pay for their relocation.

Secure the border.

Watch the parasites starve in one generation and get a real education on communism.

[editor-surveyor]

Its already under way, scared?

Buy depends wholesale.