Posted on 08/22/2012 3:20:19 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
First, I'm a woman. (Seems to be an important qualification if one is to be allowed to have an opinion on "womens' bodies.")
I'm used to being attacked by the harridans of the Left, who claim that if you're a pro-life, then you're NOT A WOMAN.
But I'm not used to hearing conservatives knee-jerk to the idea that something is "idiotic" just because it's politically incorrect ... according to those same rabid harridans of the Left.
I think, like Akin did, that a woman's endocrine system CAN sometimes "shut down" the process of conception, or implantation, as a result of traumatic stress suffered by the woman.
It so happens there are respected physicians who believe this is possible too: Dr. John C. WIlkie, MD, OB/GYN. And there is some research that tends to back this up (see references at bottom of this page.
We may never have a 100% dispositive study that proves that pregnancy as a result of rape is rare. Real numbers are hard to come by. And sadly, any researcher who attempts an objective study is going to be excoriated like Mark Regnerus (who studied homosexual parenting) or Jay Belsky (who studied the effects of putting children in day care).
But many women know, intuitively, that what Akin said is not "imbecilic." Many women have experience with their endocrine systems going awry, due to stress. I myself have carried four pregnancies to term, but lost one, probably due to stress that caused an endocrine malfunction.
** "Ain't I a woman" is a quote from Sojourner Truth, a strong Christian black woman. She wasn't going to stand for her opinion being shut down because she was (a) a woman and (b) voicing ideas that weren't popular in some circles. And neither am I.
Answer me this: When are they human? Is it at the moment the sperm dives into the ovum? Or is it some time later? If later, how much later?
By the way, I'm OK with repealing Roe v. Wade and letting the states deal with it, if that helps.
The unreasoned short answer to your question as stated, unfortunately, is "yes."
I consider myself pro-family, but I think the family starts about mid-term.
For you to find reason to giggle on this thread, especially considering the reaction you are getting from intelligent posters, labels you quite unaware. And that is being kind. Not to mention you finding humour in disrespect though you lament those being disrespectful to Akin. Maybe take a deep breath and read the replies to you.
Another key being that Akin was differentiating from statutory rape as the Doctor who advanced the theory in the first place did in his article. “Legitimate” was being used to mean a forcible rape, not a statutory one where Akin was making no such claim that a pregnancy would be less likely.
>present these facts to the American people next week at the Convention.
akin was uninvited to the convention. akin is a democrat plant and out to harm Republicans. Just like the sleepers trying to imply Republicans would force a rape victim or dying mother to carry to term.
Akin’s comments hurt the pro-Life cause ... immeasurably.
"Legitimate rape" = rape as defined by the law.
The words "law" and "legitimate" I believe both come from the same root (law from Old Norse "lagu," similar to Latin "leg-").
What is offensive about that?
Your hero Akin will make it harder for sidewalk abortion counselors to discuss choosing life with rape victims.
The reality is that a woman who may have chosen life... will instead keep her head down and walk into the abortion mill this weekend, because she doesn’t want to have to defend herself and try to explained she was ‘legitimately raped.’
Hells bells! Akin himself said that Ryan has called him and asked him to drop out. I’d say that’s a rebuke of the tallest order.
Huh?
The 16/17 year old with the 18/19 year old girlfriend/boyfriend, or the couple right in the middle of sex when the woman up and changes her mind?
How ironic. LOL.
And there we have the real reason for dumping Akin and demonizing him. It's not because he said something "insensitive," "repugnant" or "unscientific." It's because "a certain amount of abortion is OK and we don't want anyone rejecting the GOP because of these "extremists.""
I heard Akin’s idiot statement BEFORE the idiot Romney uttered one word, which I have yet to hear, since I don’t follow that slimebag.
Akin is finished. He will eventually drop out, so the sooner the better.
Well, why not? The GOP is already slobbering over homosexuals, having the Log Cabin Repubs be their "educators" on such issues and affirming "dignity and respect" for sodomites. Might as well jump on the abortion train, too, if it can get us a few votes. /s
*Precisely*
And btw, I did not say Akin was "my hero."
But definitely Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Malkin are no longer my heroes.
Are you kidding me? In case you aren't, it's midterm--halfway between conception and birth. Maybe it should be 4 months, I'm open to convincing. Maybe it should be 5, based on outside the womb viability with support. But, when abortion is deemed necessary, especially when there's been rape (or incest) it should be early.
You do notice I refrained from using the terms insipid and vapid? I showed great restraint in honour of onyx. She leads by example always.
I actually posted this in another thread first. This is why:
This is the really real world. It’s not all happy endings and sunshine when a rape victim carries a baby to term. A fragile psyche can’t always withstand another 9 months of assault. People break. Also, please don’t hand me a line that watching the product of violence grow inside of her isn’t assault. Maybe some women will be able to compartmentalize the rape and separate it from the pregnancy, but everyone with a room temperature IQ knows that not every woman will be able to do so.
A marriage can’t always survive a husband watching another man’s baby grow in his wife’s womb, even when it was forced upon her. In the same fashion, perhaps some men can, but we know for certain that not all men are capable.
A thirteen year old’s life is no less at risk being impregnated so soon after becoming fertile because she didn’t consent. It’s just a fact of life that young girls become fertile before their bodies are fully developed. Immature skeletons with narrow pelvises, inabilities to create to enough red blood cells to handle the increased blood volume, inability of the immature venous system to handle increased flow creates PIH, etc etc.
No, as I told another poster. We’ll be keeping those exceptions to the pro-life platform for some time to come. Bear in mind that you really don’t want those who are pro-life in the Reagan sense to be forced to choose between two extremes. You’ll lose.
I don’t know why he would. He just did.
It is true that it is nowhere near the discussion they were having ... which makes the statement all the more stupid. He answered a question he wasn’t even asked.
SnakeDoc
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