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Dear Arizona; Has SCOTUS made secession your only option
Monday, June 25, 2012 | Bob Ireland

Posted on 06/25/2012 12:13:28 PM PDT by Bob Ireland

Dear Arizona;

As Justice Antonin Scalia has just written, the SCOTUS opinion against the state of Arizona concerning immigration problems has made the phrase 'sovereign state' of no further effect.

The primary function of government is to serve the people it represents. One primary function under that obligation is to protect the population it serves. The SCOTUS opinion states that - if the United States Federal Government has statutory mandate to fulfill that obligation - then the state has no right to supersede the Federal Government when the Federal Government refuses to extend that protection.

The effect of the SCOTUS opinion today is to eliminate states' rights' in a major area of the states' statutory mandate. Put another way, the Federal Government can establish rules that eliminate states' rights under historical common law.

This author therefore suggests that the state of Arizona call a Constitutional Convention of interested states - to potentially include Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Alaska and perhaps the Carolinas [and any other state wishing to bind itself under such restrictions as herein mentioned] - pursuant to forming a new sovereign nation established under the auspices of the original Constitution of the United States.

Such Declaration of Independence should include a rejection of an imperial presidency which reserves unto itself the right to establish and enforce laws as it best sees fit without legislative oversight. The Declaration should reject all laws and regulations that establish a socialist, communist or dictatorial interpretation of states' rights or citizen's rights.

Such a federation or commonwealth should recognize in perpetuity the right of any member state to withdraw from the union when the said union jeopardizes the rights, liberties or the pursuit of happiness of said member state and its citizens. It should recognize the responsibility of the Executive Office as lawfully established to enforce laws properly passed by the legislature of representatives of the people, and to be interdicted against reinterpreting the meaning of such legally passed laws or refusing to enforce said laws.

The convention of agreeable states should establish such legal standards as were envisioned by the Founding Fathers of the United States, and should carefully protect states' rights and individual citizen's rights.

It is impossible to see any other alternative for states and citizens wishing to protect their Constitutional rights in the face of a runaway Federal Government of the United States, and its various organs, that has all but suspended the founding intent of the original Constitutional Convention.

LET FREEDOM RING!!!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: constitution; secession; statesrights; vanity
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It’s actually not the SCOTUS that is the problem here,
but the 0bama administration’s refusal to cooperate with the part of the law they upheld.


21 posted on 06/25/2012 12:48:03 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: arrogantsob
***You are advocating a revolution against a government which is of our own making and within which we have representation.***

Your position appears indefensible on both counts... but 'perilous times' for sure.

22 posted on 06/25/2012 12:49:04 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

The part of the law that actually mattered to me, making TPD actually give a crap about illegals, stood. The rest was window dressing.


23 posted on 06/25/2012 12:50:12 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: MrB
There is no contract here. Arizona was CREATED by the federal government and governed under federal regulations and laws as a Territory for decades. It did not join the Union until 1914.

Only the original 13 would have any claim of preexistence outside the Union. And not even all of them had Constitutions in place prior to the Revolution.

24 posted on 06/25/2012 12:51:59 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: arrogantsob
***... attempted to have their concerns addressed for decades before Lexington***

FR has at least one decade! E.g. impeachment: 1998...

25 posted on 06/25/2012 12:52:15 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

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26 posted on 06/25/2012 12:56:15 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: discostu
***The rest was window dressing***

SCOTUS rulings become much more invasive over all law than you seem to realize. Do not look at this ruling as only applying to Arizona immigration problems. Antonin Sclaia has properly noted that this ruling eliminates 'State Sovereignty'.

27 posted on 06/25/2012 12:56:37 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

Who do you think made this government? Aliens? It has grown into what it is because that is what the majority wanted. Our problem is not so much who is in it but that it reflects what the People have wanted. Without a massive change in how people think (mainly women actually) there will be no significant change.

Just because you do not like the representation or agree with it does not change the fact that we have it.


28 posted on 06/25/2012 12:56:37 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: Bob Ireland
I firmly believe that some event or series of events will compel the several states to lead the effort to dissolve the tyrannical Federal government and reconstitute a Constitutional Republic.

As bad as things seem we are no where near that point. The Statists of both parties will try to play us for as long as possible -- stealing our wealth and our Liberties.

The second reason it will not happen soon is that there a no elected leaders on the national scene that have the true love of Liberty to spearhead such a movement.

Sadly, I think we have many years, if not a decade or more of this growing tyranny before real change happens.

29 posted on 06/25/2012 12:57:56 PM PDT by sand88
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To: arrogantsob
***Just because you do not like the representation or agree with it***

Executive fiat is not representation. The Caesars succeeded in eliminating the Roman Republic Senate in the same manner you prescribe... all by popular fiats.

30 posted on 06/25/2012 1:00:32 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Bob Ireland

It was the rest of the law I was describing as window dressing not the ruling. As for Scalia he’s about 35 years behind the curve. 55 MPH speed limit was the end of state sovereignty.


31 posted on 06/25/2012 1:00:41 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: Bob Ireland

Didn’t a bunch of Southern States attempt the succession thing back in the 1860s? I think they called it The War Between the States or The Great Civil War.

This decision today is why it is imperative that the next SCOTUS appointee be a Conservative.


32 posted on 06/25/2012 1:00:53 PM PDT by vortigern
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To: Bob Ireland
That is fine and most of our activity has been directed at stymieing the Democrats/media not an unresponsive Royal government. This is a totally different situation and much more difficult to organize effective opposition. When Bush was in office the same kind of sentiments ("I'm moving to Canada, if Bush is re-elected" etc.) were expressed by the Left.
33 posted on 06/25/2012 1:01:12 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: discostu

I can see you need to hyperventilate more to be at home on this thread.


34 posted on 06/25/2012 1:02:25 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: arrogantsob

LOL. Yeah I get that problem a lot.


35 posted on 06/25/2012 1:03:52 PM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: Bob Ireland

The primary purpose of our current media-gov’t-academia complex is to elect a new people, i.e. eradicate White Christians from the U.S. body politic. They would respond to serious secession efforts with genocidal fury.


36 posted on 06/25/2012 1:05:07 PM PDT by kreitzer
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To: Bob Ireland

Aren’t we speaking of a Judicial finding here? Executive fiat in this Republic only applies to controls over the executive branch responsibilities.

Caesar eliminated the Republic by refusing to lay down the control over his ARMY which he brought back into Italy from Gaul. He and his successors ruled THROUGH the Senate no by executive fiat in any case. They never eliminated the Senate just its power.

Where did I “prescribe” anything? I only described.


37 posted on 06/25/2012 1:07:27 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: arrogantsob
Secession is not a legal option.

Well, that is an opinion based on the result of a war.

As Ben Franklin said "Force sh*tes upon Reason's back."

Whatever eloquent argument one might make for the legality, constitutionality, etc., of a particular act, it really boils down to who has the ability to use force to enforce their desire.

Heck of a way to run things, but there you go.

38 posted on 06/25/2012 1:08:26 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: vortigern

“This decision today is why it is imperative that the next SCOTUS appointee be a Conservative.”

BINGO!!


39 posted on 06/25/2012 1:09:06 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: B Knotts

My belief is based upon the thoughts of the Founders and the meaning of a “constitution” not the result of that little dust-up of 1861-5.


40 posted on 06/25/2012 1:11:38 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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