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EVs could collapse the grid, PJM warns east coast
Smart Grid News ^ | 6/5/12 | Unattrib

Posted on 06/05/2012 8:03:21 AM PDT by bigbob

A forum hosted by the Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission to explore potential impacts of alternative fuel vehicles on critical infrastructure heard a good news, bad news scenario from the CEO of the PJM Interconnection, the regional grid operator.

PJM CEO Terry Boston told the forum that with smart grid controls in place and re-charging properly synchronized between midnight and 7 a.m., the electric distribution system could accommodate 25 million EVs, according to coverage of the forum in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

But without those controls, the scenario will look a lot different, Boston warned. "If all of those came home at 5 p.m. and plugged in, we would have a voltage collapse, and I would be seeking other business opportunities very quickly."

Experts also told the PUC forum at Drexel University that time-of-use rates would create a more efficient electricity system.

Todd Campbell, VP of public policy and regulatory affairs for Clean Energy Fuels, "urged the commission to not allow regulated utilities to compete with private suppliers by charging their ratepayers for the cost of refueling stations," the Inquirer wrote.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; ev; grid; natgas; pennsylvania; pennsylvaniaeletric; pennsylvaniautility; pjm; smartgrid
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Now isn't this a surprise? The CEO of one of the largest grid operators in the nation states the obvious: the grid can't handle the increase in electric demand resulting from unlimited plug-in EV expansion. And this assumes a "smart grid" which we don't have. (Not that we'll have to worry about 25 million EVs anytime soon...)

What he didn't say is that WITHOUT a smart grid, the number of plug-in EVs that could be handled is dramatically less. Rio Linda isn't in the PJM grid but this means "there ain't no free energy".

But notice how this sets the stage for time-of-day utility delivery pricing. Stay tuned and hold onto your wallet...

1 posted on 06/05/2012 8:03:28 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

I thought that was the idea...........


2 posted on 06/05/2012 8:06:00 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: bigbob

And at night, electricity is being produced by what?

Not solar.


3 posted on 06/05/2012 8:09:24 AM PDT by mkboyce
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To: bigbob

Virtually any EE past freshman circuits knew this.

Of course, they also knew that this was far, far beyond the limited intellectual capabilites of the EPA, the press, and of course, our Cretin-in-Chief.


4 posted on 06/05/2012 8:10:20 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: bigbob
CleanCar
5 posted on 06/05/2012 8:11:56 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: bigbob

At the rate EV’s are selling, they won’t overload the system until about July 21, 2998.


6 posted on 06/05/2012 8:12:41 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: mkboyce

could accommodate 25 million EVs

that would be a big loss in gasoline taxes and everything connected with it


7 posted on 06/05/2012 8:14:35 AM PDT by molson209
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To: bigbob
But notice how this sets the stage for time-of-day utility delivery pricing. Stay tuned and hold onto your wallet...

You're right - anything - anything but increasing capacity...

8 posted on 06/05/2012 8:16:45 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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>>>”Todd Campbell, VP of public policy and regulatory affairs for Clean Energy Fuels, “urged the commission to not allow regulated utilities to compete with private suppliers by charging their ratepayers for the cost of refueling stations,” the Inquirer wrote.”<<<

This is an important point the CLNE guy makes. CLNE and its partners are footing the bill for Nat Gas refueling stations which are in direct competition with electric fueling sources.

9 posted on 06/05/2012 8:19:57 AM PDT by shove_it (just undo it)
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To: molson209

Where would they find 25 million idiots?


10 posted on 06/05/2012 8:21:13 AM PDT by catman67
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To: TomGuy

My expert says July 20.

:>)


11 posted on 06/05/2012 8:25:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: catman67

Obama voters?


12 posted on 06/05/2012 8:27:02 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Waiting for the new tagline to download)
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"Where would they find 25 million idiots?"

Registered democrats. Next question?

13 posted on 06/05/2012 8:28:39 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Today if you invent a better mousetrap, the government comes along with a better mouse. RReagan)
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Where would they find 25 million idiots?


From the 69,456,897 idiots that voted for him in 2008.

14 posted on 06/05/2012 8:36:29 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Red Badger; steelyourfaith

Ping.


15 posted on 06/05/2012 9:12:52 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: bigbob

The way coal plants are going thanks to the hostility of this Administration, it ain’t gonna be EVs that do it.


16 posted on 06/05/2012 9:43:16 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: bigbob

What moron believes 25 million EVs will hit the road at the same time?


17 posted on 06/05/2012 10:01:08 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: preacher
I see you are a preacher, therefore I must confess that I just stole that picture.
18 posted on 06/05/2012 10:16:38 AM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: bigbob

Pick up any newspaper, take note of the multiple daily nominees for the Darwin Award, and then tell me the authorities have any prayer of synchronizing all EV recharging between midnight and 7AM.


19 posted on 06/05/2012 10:20:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: bigbob
Nothing surprising here.

There is NO ENERGY POLICY and/or PLAN for America.

America is NOW, nothing more than, "a Fifth Avenue operation with a shooting gallery setup."

I think you know what comes next.

20 posted on 06/05/2012 10:25:06 AM PDT by VideoDoctor
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