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Salt, we misjudged you
New York Times ^ | June 3, 2012 | by Gary Taubes

Posted on 06/03/2012 7:37:05 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

THE first time I questioned the conventional wisdom on the nature of a healthy diet, I was in my salad days, almost 40 years ago, and the subject was salt. Researchers were claiming that salt supplementation was unnecessary after strenuous exercise, and this advice was being passed on by health reporters.

When I spent the better part of a year researching the state of the salt science back in 1998 — already a quarter century into the eat-less-salt recommendations — journal editors and public health administrators were still remarkably candid in their assessment of how flimsy the evidence was implicating salt as the cause of hypertension.

“You can say without any shadow of a doubt,” as I was told then by Drummond Rennie, an editor for The Journal of the American Medical Association, that the authorities pushing the eat-less-salt message had “made a commitment to salt education that goes way beyond the scientific facts.”

While, back then, the evidence merely failed to demonstrate that salt was harmful, the evidence from studies published over the past two years actually suggests that restricting how much salt we eat can increase our likelihood of dying prematurely. Put simply, the possibility has been raised that if we were to eat as little salt as the U.S.D.A. and the C.D.C. recommend, we’d be harming rather than helping ourselves.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: diet; foodnazis; garytaubes; health; healthnazis; hypertension; nannystate; nutrition; salt; science; sodium; taubes
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To: netmilsmom

You missed the point.


141 posted on 06/04/2012 1:53:52 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Ignatz

The fact that all salt has it’s origins in ancients seas does not make your statement that “The extra that you pay for “Sea Salt” is just to pay for the label that says “Sea Salt” any less incorrect.


142 posted on 06/04/2012 1:59:37 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: Ellendra

>>They aren’t extracting more calories than what’s there, it’s that the average person is extracting fewer calories than what’s there.<<

That could be part of it. Flora in the gut is destroyed by antibiotics. Different flora digest different nutrients. Some people’s bodies may be telling them to eat more, to get the proper nutrients into the bloodstream and to cells. The calories are stored as fat.

Also, if one is NOT getting those nutrients into the cells, the hypothalamus may be saying, “You’re starving!” so metabolism slows. It has been a very short time in the history of man that we have had an abundance of food. We were constantly in a feed/starve mode. Some bodies metabolized well to store more in preparation for lean times and cold. Eastern Europeans and Eskimos are examples.


143 posted on 06/04/2012 1:59:45 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

The Genesis account is of the creation of the universe, for man, and Peter’s prophecy of the end calls for the entire universe to go up in smoke when man is done with it.

I’ll take God’s word for it; he said six days and then he rested.


144 posted on 06/04/2012 2:03:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I had to call my kids over to read you post.
We laughed until we cried but by 12-year-old said it was soooooo True!


145 posted on 06/04/2012 2:08:43 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: JAKraig

>>It doesn’t make any difference where the calories come from.<<

CO2 causes the warming of the Earth.


146 posted on 06/04/2012 2:14:33 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: JAKraig
The reason people get fat is that they eat too much

My bet is that you are blaming the victm. Try a search on 'infectobesity'.


147 posted on 06/04/2012 2:21:03 PM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"If you don't eat salt, and you don't eat fat... you will die."

"Fried salt 'fatback' pork -- it's what's for breakfast!"

...at least in rural Texas when I was a kid - 3/4 century ago (and I - obviously -- survived it...)

148 posted on 06/04/2012 2:25:32 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA
Pork jowls and black-eyed peas for new years. Plenty of salt there. I also survived. I can buy fatback fairly easily today. When in 1995, I decided to have jowls and black-eyed peas..... I had to hunt far and wide to find salted pig jaws.

The world changes. One thing I hang on to is that 'truth is truth, and truth will out'.

Stupidity eventually kills itself off. That you and I are so old says we aren't too stupid.

/johnny

149 posted on 06/04/2012 2:56:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I think the salt hysteria is way overblown. It’s an example of bad science run amok.


150 posted on 06/04/2012 3:12:12 PM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: netmilsmom

I’m trying to look up how much gets lost during digestion. I did find where, on average, approximately 23% of calories contained in protein are lost via excrement, but haven’t seen anything on other types yet. Still, that gives us a clue. If that’s the average, then some people must be better at extracting and absorbing those calories, and some must be worse.


151 posted on 06/04/2012 3:31:55 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s crucial that we eat the RIGHT kind of salt though. Do NOT eat table salt. It has been stripped of minerals and then they add in bleaching and anti caking agents. They are also adding a miniscule amount of iodine.

Get unrefined salt like Celtic or Real Salt.

Take a separate iodine supplement like Iodoral or Lugol’s. Those are really the only 2 worthy iodine supps to take.


152 posted on 06/04/2012 3:50:32 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Ignatz

Sea salt, Morton’s Salt.

There are plenty of things you can eat that can harm you, but there is nothing you can eat that will make you healthier than you already are.


153 posted on 06/04/2012 4:03:19 PM PDT by zeebee (Where would I be right now if all my dreams had come true? (Mason Jennings))
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To: netmilsmom

I could have provided power for a small city that night. I’ll never know the suffering women endure in child-birth, but I like to think the aftermath of that Jalapeno dip has given me a brief glimpse.


154 posted on 06/04/2012 4:08:44 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Jalapenos with hemorrhoids. I have a hard time believing the pain lasts very long. I figure you would just black out from shock!

THAT SOUNDS EXCRUCIATING.

Join the sensitivity of roids with the firepower of the mighty Jalapeno. Why do I have visions of Medieval tortures and the Spanish Inquisition. This sounds like a good way to extract the location of a dirty bomb from an uncooperative terrorist. Induce roids and feed gallons of jalapeno dip. Instant cooperation. “I’ll talk, I’ll talk, just no more Jalapenos!!!!”


155 posted on 06/04/2012 4:13:56 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: editor-surveyor

“The eons stop at about 6000 years anyway.”

Human existence dates back to the re-creation described in Genesis, about 6,000 years ago, mho. The universe, including the earth, I believe, is much older. There is Biblical support for that thinking, though this is not the thread for that kind of a discussion/argument.

God is infinitely bigger than our finite minds can comprehend.


156 posted on 06/04/2012 4:22:30 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“THAT SOUNDS EXCRUCIATING. Join the sensitivity of roids with the firepower of the mighty Jalapeno...”

Ah, but I am not a sore-ass :), I do not have the ‘roids’. And the mighty Jalapeno is rather mild as hot peppers go. There are some hot peppers used in Hunan dishes that are really hot. And then there is the Habenero...I was cleaning some one day and brushed my lip with my finger...it hurt for two days. And after the first time cleaning Habeneros, I learned to wear plastic gloves...they will burn the skin on your hands.


157 posted on 06/04/2012 4:30:55 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s not all about you. I used the collective we.


158 posted on 06/04/2012 4:49:47 PM PDT by amihow
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To: amihow

So, basically, you think that you speak for everyone?

Kind of like the royal “We?”
.


159 posted on 06/04/2012 5:19:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I won’t even play with Habaneros. You can have them. That is way over my pleasure level.


160 posted on 06/04/2012 5:20:20 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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