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Posted on 04/11/2012 9:53:16 AM PDT by marktwain
Columbus, Ohio – Ohio State University Police detained and drew their weapons on student-activist Mike Newbern for demonstrating his support for gun rights by wearing an empty holster to a candlelight vigil for Trayvon Martin on Wednesday.
Newbern, the president of Buckeyes for Concealed Carry, was taken forcibly into police custody just after 8:30 p.m., while he was standing at the front of the crowd wearing an empty holster, which was clearly visible on his belt, and with his hands crossed in front of his chest.
A police report released on Thursday indicates two officers drew their firearms before approaching Newbern and removing him from the vigil. They searched and questioned Newbern and confiscated his personal belongings, including his empty holster and camera case, before placing him handcuffed in the back of a cruiser for 30 minutes. Newbern was released at 9:07 p.m. but was informed by police that the field investigation would be forwarded to the university’s Committee of Academic Misconduct where he could be charged with disorderly conduct.
Newbern, who is a certified firearms safety instructor, said on Thursday he decided to attend the vigil to exercise his First Amendment right to demonstrate in favor of Ohio’s concealed carry laws. He said he suspects’ campus police and students harassed him because he is the leader of Buckeyes for Concealed Carry, a group Ohio State University President Gordon Gee has publically described as "vigilante."
On Tuesday, for example, President Gee expressed his continued opposition to the right for students to conceal carry on the Ohio State University Campus.
"You and I can debate that all day long and you have clear arguments," Gee said, addressing his remarks to Newbern. "But, I am in charge and we are not going to do it."
"We are very vocal in our struggle and I have become the face of our cause," Newbern said. "By invoking the most violent and most vivid imagery possible, they attempt to paint our progress towards self-defense as anything other than the natural rights that they are. And in this instance, the administration's toxic dialogue ran to its natural conclusion, which could have been prevented through more civil discourse."
EDITOR'S NOTE: Buckeye Firearms Foundation is looking into the situation. We are concerned for officer safety, but also for the civil rights of citizens. Campus security is a concern for many students, and having those who exercise their First Amendment rights on the topic hauled off at gun point will not solve any problems.
So what you are saying? Police killing unarmed civilians just because they feel unsafe is justified?
Call it what it is - MURDER!
If you pull a dark metal object out of a holster and the cops think it’s a gun, you’re just as dead. You can call it murder. I call it suicide.
Perhaps...because you've been purposefully vague.
I'll tell you this, FR is no place to pad your resume. You'll be called on it every time you do it. Now you are on the radar...
Call it whatever you like, it’s still wrongful death, and still should result in a murder charge.
Horrible mistake? absolutely.
Failure in training? without a doubt.
Unfair to the officer? they should be held to a higher standard, they have sworn an oath to defend the laws, and that oath trumps their personal safety.
I know many these days do not believe this to be the case, but just ask our brave volunteers who swear to defend the constitution,
if their own personal safety trumps their oath?
Back in the day when I took the oath,
it would be an act of cowardliness to put a citizen’s life beneath your own.
I have suggested to many chiefs of police that they hire cops who have x-ray vision and can read minds. As soon as they increase the pay, I’m sure they’ll be on it.
Let’s wrap up.
You don’t understand the uses of the word “deserve.”
You mis-apply murder and use it to self-defense scenarios. You see you don’t have to actually have a gun in your holster, the cops just have the think it’s a gun when you’re pulling your cell phone out.
And you clearly know nothing about use of force policy and training.
In short, you’re some guy talking smack on the internet and wanting cops to be supermen and women.
I’m out.
>If you pull a dark object out of a holster when the cops are working, you deserve whatever reaction you get.
I have two problems with this statement:
1 — In the context of this thread, it was an *empty* holster; there was nothing to pull out.
2 — There are holsters speciffically for phones, I’m wearing one now, and my phone is mostly black; should I be shot because some officer merely sees me answer my phone?
>I’d like to read it when its done, if thats possible...
Sure, but it’s part of a larger piece dealing with weapons (and government restrictions thereon).
neither of your your two problems has any relationship to what I and the others were disagreeing about. The holster in question was a gun holster. not what the the accessory people call a “case.” for cell phones.
We were discussing a filled holster not the empty one.
I am leaving the thread because I don’t want to spend any more time with every tangential point someone wants to make. When I do, I’ll start my own thread and stay with it.
Need to sue the cops, individually and by department.
Happened in Dekalb county at least 10 years ago. Guy was getting a traffic ticket. His phone rang and he answered it. The cop shot him. Fortunately not life threatening. He sued the county and the cop. The case vanished from the media view without a trace, and I have no idea how it turned out.
So not only can you get killed by the police for answering the phone, but anyone around you can be killed too.
“”You and I can debate that all day long and you have clear arguments,” Gee said, addressing his remarks to Newbern. “But, I am in charge and we are not going to do it.” “
The Obama philosophy.
cool Sir...I look forward to it...
Radar. Whatever you "fire" at me will be the equivalent of North Korea's latest rocket launch.
"Police chief dead, four officers wounded in Greenland shootout; suspected gunman found dead in home"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2871567/posts
In this case, four officers can say they worked with an officer who killed by gunfire in the line of duty. And all the wounded officers can say that they worked with three officers who were wounded by gunfire in the line of duty.
I doubt that the city of Greenland is as big as Baltimore. Maybe things happen in smaller departments that mirror what happened in Greenland. Just sayin'.
I agree. And the best part about becoming the Prime Minister of Norway is, that I no longer have to lie about stuff.
Oh....so you do respond directly to posts. Nice to know.
Welcome to FR, Your Excellency.
Awesome, can you see any of the majestic møøse from your office?
(Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...)
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