Posted on 11/07/2011 5:51:11 AM PST by Kaslin
What is the deal with MSNBC folks being anti-Second Amendment lately? Last week it was fill in host Craig Melvin and this week it's analyst and Huffington Post writer Alex Wagner.
Wagner was on Real Time With Bill Maher and when asked about what should be changed in the Constitution, Wagner said we should get rid of the Second Amendment.
Bill Maher, HBO: "Let's ask Alex. What would you change in the Constitution?"
Alex Wagner, Huffington Post: "Well, I'm going to be pilloried for this. I think get rid of the second Amendment, the right to bear arms. I just think in the grand scheme of the rights that we have; the right of assembly, free speech, I mean, owning a gun does not, it does not tally on the same level as those other Constitutional rights. And being more discreet about who gets to have a firearm and right to kill with a firearm, I think is something that would be in our national interest to revisit that."
Thankfully, Rep. Darrell Issa was on the same panel and set her straight.
Issa: We have a problem in America which is we misunderstand quite frankly what the Second Amendment is for, it's for law abiding citizens to have a right both to protect themselves and to be protected from living under tyranny.
My question for Wagner is this: What happens when you no longer have a right to free speech? The Second Amendment holds up the First Amendment. Criminals don't care if a right to bear arms is in the Constitution, they arm themselves anyway. Disarming law abiding citizens only makes them sitting ducks and victims of violence from criminals and victims of oppression from their government.
History lesson: What was the first thing the Nazi's did? They disarmed the citizenry so they could have total control over the people, and we all know how that ended up.
Adolf Hitler's use of firearms registration lists to confiscate guns and the execution of their owners teaches a forceful lesson -- one that reveals why the American people and Congress have rejected registering honest firearm owners.
The Night of the Broken Glass (Kristallnacht)--the infamous Nazi rampage against Germany's Jews--took place in November 1938. It was preceded by the confiscation of firearms from the Jewish victims. On Nov. 8, the New York Times reported from Berlin, "Berlin Police Head Announces 'Disarming' of Jews," explaining:
The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been "disarmed" with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment.
On the evening of Nov. 9, Adolf Hitler, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, and other Nazi chiefs planned the attack. Orders went out to Nazi security forces: "All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately . . . . Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire . . . . The Führer wishes that the police does not intervene. . . . All Jews are to be disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot immediately."
You can watch the video clip here.
Historically, the revolution predated the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
OK, Alex, as much as I love the 2nd Amend., there’s nothing saying it can’t be repealed. So, just ask a Dem Congresscritter to propose it in Congress, then I’m sure they’ll vote it out to the states (after all, nobody would have their political career crash and burn because they tried to rewrite the Bill of Rights) and three-quarters of the states will support the idea.
Sure...and I’m Ida Lapino.
Thank god, I live in Florida, “the Gunshine” State.
They know we are getting more prepared every day for their coming violence. They are also afraid that we could actually use our rights of self defense to stymie the government.
They know very well that the 2nd amendment was written so that we can stop a government that is coming after us. That really burns their toast. That we could actually resist.
That’s what I mean!
Any frog jumping out of the pot early will be rediculed by all the other frogs staying in the nice warm water. If you land in the fire instead, they will laugh at you and point out how it was much better to stay in the pot like a good little froggie. After all, it ain't boiling yet is it? - Me. July, 2006
Things could get bumpy...
No problem. There is an amendment process built right into the Constitution. It's not something your boy in the White Hut can do by ezecutive order, but there is a way if you're really up for it. If you think you got the votes, go for it. Don't blame me, however, when the fires of electoral hell come raining down upon you and you and the Commie party get exiled to the political wilderness for 5 or 6 decades.
Travis: 2A repeal ping.
Or “jumpy” as it were...
A little outrage, a little/big overstep, some person gets hurt by the OWSers that causes folks to say “no more”...
we could all start feeling a bit more “froggy”.
It's time for austerity measures - globally. There are too many freeloaders for the world to support. The freeloader votes were bought and paid for by the socialists with other peoples money. Now that it's time for the socialists to pay up - there's no money left.
The American tax slaves are starting to rebel. They've noticed they're being used as world slaves - finally - and they're slowing down. They're demanding THEIR rights, too.
Only one side can win. Either the slavery ends, or the world turns into government working camps, and EVERYONE becomes a political slave.
It doesn't trump them, but it *does* ensure that they continue to exist.
But, this requires logical thought, something that this fool is completely at a loss for.
Ah... but you have to understand the worldview. The concept above doesn't even register. "Protect them from who?" would be her sincere question. The ruling class, in the mind of a person like this, is by definition far advanced over the masses, both morally and intellectually, and therefore the idea of taking other rights wouldn't even be an issue to them.
In reality, I don't know how it's going to go down. But Obama has to disarm America if he and his commie homeboys are going to stay in power.
They really want a civil war, don't they?
Like challenging Ahnold to an arm wrestling match. D’oh!
ATF failed at gun running and blaming it on gun owners, they’re going back to square one now with “talking points”. Come and take it, Sissy Alex.
Like many of the Amendments, they only reinforce the fact that the people retain their rights and only relinquish a few to the federal government.
If the 2nd Amendment were removed we would still have the right to be armed. The hate America crowd would need a new Amendment banning guns not just eliminating the 2nd.
The Soviet Union had a constitution where everything was forbidden except a very few rights relinquished by the government and loaned to the people. Progressives in our schools (all levels) and our media prefer the Soviet Unions constitution.
We are now two societies of almost equal population living in the same space. Lovers of the founders and our constitution cannot coexist with those who prefer the Marxist world. They are an enemy within and unfortunately we were asleep, too busy, did not see, our country has been rotting from within for decades by this cancer.
There’s actually two items that they forgot to tick off on the checklist before fomenting revolution (OWS).
As you said, they disregarded the need to disarm the citizenry first.
Second, though it is in process, they haven’t completed the corruption of the military yet, either.
I think their “street revolutionaries” are getting ahead of themselves.
Typical lib think: ". . . who gets to have a firearm and the right to kill . . . " Who indeed? The answer for libs of course is the state. Libs and radicals, anyone of a leftist bias for that matter, always wants to kill off the enemy (includes fascists who are leftists, not conservatives, as we all know). Whether it's the enemy of the people, of the revolution, the environment, you name it. Lurking in the background of all, repeat all, leftist thinking is the desire to purify the world by killing off all their enemies. That is why they use they labeling process continually, create a label, apply it to someone or some group, whip up an outcry about it, now the target is dehumanized and the left can feel good about their dirty deeds. The entire history of revolutions excepting the American Revolution is a history of horrors and murder perpetrated by the revolutionaries upon their enemies. . . . oops I forgot, we're all pretty well boned up on the Alinsky stuff by now, I guess we already know this.
But there you have, embedded in the so called question is a hidden statement of leftist goals.
Geez, talk about accidental candor. Reminds me of that pic of a Nazi officer (a member of that OTHER National Socialist party) shooting prisoners one after the other as they knelt on the edge of their own burial pit.
The patriots work and have families. Our mistake was letting the left's propaganda take funds from us and giving it to, in the end, those who want to destroy us.
Unless we starve the Washington beast into forced austerity, these people will continue to feed off us while having all the time in the world to plot. They have nothing else to do with their time, but if they were forced to get jobs of their own, they'll become us in the end. If they were forced to pay - themselves - for all their programs, their programs would instantly die a quick and painful death. As long as we pay for all their needs, they're going to continue to try to take us over completely.
Starve the beast while we still can. As long as they're a small minority, this country still has a chance.
People are already getting hurt.
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