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Demographic Winter: A Disaster Movie In the Making
GrasstopsUSA email | October 12, 2011 | Don Feder

Posted on 10/16/2011 6:12:48 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A speech by Don Feder at Ave Maria University, September 20, 2011

Hollywood has a penchant for blowing things up – especially the world. Since the 1950s, apocalyptic movies (which come with a variety of special effects) have been all the rage.

We’ve met our doom through nuclear war (“On The Beach,” “The Day After”), a worldwide super-plague (“Twelve Monkeys” “The Stand”), global warming (“The Day After Tomorrow,” “Waterworld,”), the earth’s core over-heating (“2012,” “The Core”), overpopulation (“Soylent Green”), a comet striking the earth (“Deep Impact,” “Armageddon”), sentient machines taking over (the “Terminator” and “Matrix” series), rampaging simians (the “Planet of The Apes” series), alien invasion (“Invasion of The Body Snatchers,” “War of the Worlds” “Battle Los Angles”), flesh-eating zombies – often mistaken for Democrats - (”I Am Legend,” “Zombieland”) and fire-breathing dragons (“Reign of Fire”).

Did I miss anything?

But the most plausible disaster scenario is the one you never see coming, because it happens in slow motion and flies in the face of conventional wisdom.

Sentient machines out to destroy their makers, rampaging apes, flesh-eating zombies are, of course, fiction. The apocalypse looming on the horizon is fact. And, as one of my favorite presidents, John Adams, famously said: “Facts are stubborn things.”

Fact: Worldwide, the Total Fertility Rate (TFR) – the number of children the average woman has during her childbearing years - fell from 5 in the mid-1960s to 2.7 today, a decline of almost 50%.

Fact: 59 countries, with 44% of the world’s population, now have below replacement fertility – in many cases, well below replacement. A birthrate of 2.1 is needed just to replace current population.

Fact: Russia, Germany and Greece are already experiencing population decline. Greece has a TFR of 1.3, making it impossible for tax revenue to keep pace with entitlements and the salaries of government workers, leading to riots and a nation on the brink of revolution. In Russia each year, abortions outnumber live births. The average Russian woman has six abortions in her lifetime. Not surprisingly, Russia is losing 700,000 people a year. Demographers tell us that – everything else being equal – with a birthrate of 1.3, a nation will lose half its people every 45 years.

Fact: From 1990 to 2000, the percentage of Spanish women who are childless at age 30 doubled, rising from 30% to 60%. Nearly one in five American women ends her childbearing years without having children – compared to one in 10 in the 1970s. Germany has the highest proportion of childless women in Europe, one out of every three. Of Japanese women born in the 1970s, half are childless.

Fact: Due to China’s one-child-per-family policy, the traditional preference for male children and gender-selection abortions, in the Middle Kingdom, there are now six newborn males for every five females, an unprecedented gender imbalance. Already, there are 18 million more Chinese men than women of marriageable age. That number is expected to rise to between 29 million and 40 million by the year 2020.

Fact: Developed nations are aging rapidly. Japan’s over-60 population went from 11.6% of total in 1989 to 21.2% in 2011. For each of the past 4 years, there have been more deaths than births in Japan. In 2010, the nation lost 125,000 people. In developed nations, seniors are expected to be to 32% of the total population by 2050. Then, there will be two elderly for every child.

Fact: By 2015, the global contraceptive market will generate an estimated $17.2 billion annually.

Fact: Today, there are six million fewer children in the world than there were in 1990. But that’s just the initial tremor of a coming earthquake. The United Nations Population Division estimates that by 2050, there will be 248 million fewer children in the world under 5 than there are now.

One more Fact: Nothing happens in a vacuum. In human experience, nothing occurs spontaneously. For every effect there is a cause – or multiple causes.

All over the world, individuals, governments and societies have embraced a set of assumptions and policies which have led inexorably to rapidly falling birthrates. In other words, whether or not we did so consciously, we chose Demographic Winter.

The roots of Demographic Winter lie in the 1960s. It’s no coincidence that the phenomenon was first manifested in the late 1970s, about a decade after the Sixties, which resulted in the most profound social upheaval since the French Revolution.

The hallmark of the 60’s revolution was youth rejecting authority - especially parental and religious authority. Supposedly this was a sign of intellectual independence and maturity. In reality, it was blind acceptance of a set of clichés and dogmas in place of eternal truths and time-tested wisdom.

Chief among these clichés was “do your own thing” – which roughly translates as “live for yourself.” If you embrace this axiom, you become the warm center of your own little universe – Planet You in the Galaxy Charlie Sheen. It should surprise no one that my generation (the Baby-Boomers) is known as the Me-Generation, in recognition of our self-centeredness. If you meet one of us at a party, we’ll be wearing a name-tag that reads. “Hi. I’m (fill in the blank), let me tell you about me.”

Along with a fixation on self came a lessening of feelings of responsibility for the things that really matter. Curiously, we feel responsible for endangered species, pollution and the ozone layer (things largely beyond our control) – but not for our families, our nation or our people.

In the past, men and women didn’t ask why have children - any more than they asked why eat or why breathe. It was such a natural part of existence as to require no explanation.

You had children because you had a responsibility to your family to assure its continuity. You had a responsibility to your people – so that they would not go the way of the Babylonian and the Phoenician, whose downfall probably began when they started distributing condoms in their schools. And you had a responsibility to God, who created you and made procreation the first commandment.

In the United States, birth-control pills came into widespread use in the early 1960s. Today, for the first time in history, just under half the world’s population of child-bearing age uses some form of contraception. In the United States, children as young as 12 are instructed in the proper use of condoms. This includes fitting condoms over bananas, which – at least in the case of fruit – seems not to be working that well, as we still have an adequate supply of bananas.

In America, abortion was legalized by judicial decree in the 1973. Other Western nations followed our egregious example. Like contraception, abortion is based on 1960s assumptions, chief among them that nothing should be allowed to interfere with your happiness (or what you’ve been told will make you happy), including children. Again: Do your own thing. And if “your own thing” includes having a scalpel shoved in the skull of a child in utero and his brains suctioned out, that’s a small price to pay for you being you.

Worldwide, there are approximately 115,000 abortions a day or 42 million a year. Morality aside, from a demographic perspective, we’re not just aborting 42 million unborn children a year, but their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, who will never exist. As Dick Cavett said, “If your parents never had children, chances are you won’t either.”

At its heart, the Sixties revolution was a sexual revolution. Sex was divorced from marriage, commitment and even psychological connection. We’ve seen the initiation of sexual activity at an earlier and earlier age. Sex before marriage led to sex outside marriage, which led to multiple liaisons, divorce and what’s been called serial polygamy. In a few decades, we’ve gone from making love to having sex. This may seem counter-intuitive, but more and more sex has led to fewer and fewer children.

Cohabitation also plays a significant part here. According to the Census Bureau, between 2009 and 2010, there was a 13% increase in cohabiting heterosexual couples - from 6.7 million to 7.5 million. That’s on top of a tenfold increase in cohabitation between 1960 and the year 2000.

Given the impermanence of their relationships, cohabitating couples are more likely to be childless or to have fewer children. In much of the Western world, marriage has become optional – a ceremony to mark a legal relationship, rather than an estate sanctified by faith and tradition.

In France, last year, more people began living together than married. In 2009, 3,727 couples were married in the Archdiocese of Boston, not far from where I live, compared to 8,343 a decade earlier.

Once a central reality of existence, marriage seems headed toward obsolescence. We marry because we choose to, not because we ought to. Fewer marriages equal fewer children.

Same-sex marriage (so-called) – the beau ideal of Western elites - completely cuts the tie between marriage and children. Some couples choose not to have children. Others are unable to have children. With “homosexual marriage,” (and I use the term advisably) we’re applying the label to couples which, by their very nature, are incapable of reproduction – severing the already tenuous connection between marriage and procreation.

Men and women who do marry are marrying later and later in life – which also reduces the number of children. After age 35, it becomes progressively harder for women to conceive. The ability of men to father children also declines with age.

Despite what politicians tell us about doing “it” (whatever “it” happens to be) for the children, increasingly, we live in an anti-child culture. From cinema, to news media, to public education and academia - children are presented as a burden and an annoyance, rather than a joy and a blessing. The culture treats large families (today, defined as more than two or three children) as something freakish – the result of parental eccentricity or religious fundamentalism.

We are constantly reminded of the cost of children to society – in educational, medical and law enforcement expenditures. You may recall that in 2009, then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi defended funding of contraception in the Stimulus bill as a cost-cutting device – suggesting that in times of fiscal constraint, children are a burden on the state.

What’s usually overlooked is the other side of the ledger: That the children of today are the workers, producers, consumers, innovators, care-givers, and the taxpayers of tomorrow – those whose payments keep pension plans solvent, those who care for patients in the nursing homes, keep the streets safe, safeguard the nation, operate factories and farms and keep the lights on all over the world. The family with four children helps to assure a comfortable old age to the voluntarily childless.

Over the past 200 years, the world’s population grew from 980 million to 7 billion. That population explosion fueled every advance from the industrial revolution to the computer age. The same period saw a phenomenal growth in productivity and advances in science, health and material well-being.

But what happens when more and more becomes less and less? The U.N.’s “low variant projection” has the world’s population peaking at 8 billion by 2040 and then beginning to decline. At some point, decline could become free-fall.

Civilization depends on population growth. Population decline is terra incognita.

Ultimately, our culture of selfishness is based on a loss of hope and faith. It’s no coincidence that Europe, the continent with the lowest birthrates (in the European Union, the average TFR is 1.5), is said to be afflicted by a universal ennui.

Having gone through two world wars, several revolutions and any number of social upheavals over the past century, most Europeans have come to believe that the life well-lived consists of a month of vacation a year, and retirement at age 55.

Europeans are embarrassed by their religious roots. Once Europe was known as Christendom. Yet, the 70,000-word preamble to the European Constitution contains not a single reference to the faith which was the continent’s defining reality for over 1,000 years.

There is a direct correlation between birth rates and belief. In a 2011 Gallup Poll, 92% of Americans said they believe in God, compared to 52% of Europeans in a Eurostate/European Barometer survey. Only 21% of Europeans say religion is “very important” to them, compared to 59% of Americans. In consequence, the U.S. birthrate is around 2.06, slightly below replacement. In the European Union as a whole, it’s 1.5, well below replacement.

Countries with high church attendance have above-replacement birth rates. The reverse is also true: Empty churches equal empty cradles and empty hearts. I’ve yet to encounter a family with more than three children that didn’t have a firm foundation in faith – be it Catholicism, evangelical Christianity, Orthodox Judaism, or Mormonism. All of these faiths recognize the centrality of family. All understand that procreation is a commandment. All support parental responsibility and authority. In other words, all are countercultural in the truest sense of the word.

On January 3, 2010, Yitta Schwartz passed away at age 94. A Holocaust survivor, Mrs. Schwartz and her husband had 17 children. In 1978, when her husband died, they already had more than 170 grandchildren. At the time of her death, her descendants numbered more than 2,500.

You will be shocked – shocked, I say – to learn that Yita Schwartz was not a secular humanist. She was a member of a Hasidic sect know for its piety and devotion to the mitzvot (commandments).

Religion teaches responsibility to God and our fellow man. It makes individuals other-oriented. It teaches that our own lives aren’t the sum total of human existence, that there’s something higher – a grand scheme that tells us both who we are and why we are. In consequence, it provides the only real foundation for happiness. There is a very simple formula to determine who’s having large families and who isn’t. Those who have faith in the future have children. Those who don’t, don’t. Where does faith in the future come from? It comes from faith.

The assault on procreation and families is led by the secular left. By putting these people in charge of our governments and our culture, by allowing them to indoctrinate our children (in the guise of educating and entertaining them), by subconsciously assimilating their values (including radical autonomy, skepticism, secularism, feminism, environmentalism and family planning), by closing our eyes to the reality and inevitable consequences of falling birth rates, we choose Demographic Winter.

“Choice” is the watchword of the anti-family left. The concept is more fitting than it could ever imagine. In thousands of ways, every day, humanity literally chooses its future – or non-future.

But the wonderful thing about being human is that – unlike the animals – we can conceptualize. Besides conceiving children, we can also conceive ideas. By the application of reason, we can evaluate theories, accepting or rejecting them.

Besides morality, the ultimate test of an idea is its practicality. Does it work? The ideas that have lead to the tragedy of rapidly falling birth rates are disastrously wrong and must give way to better ideas if humanity is to have a future.

To return to our Hollywood disaster-movie analogy, how could you possibly make a movie about plummeting birthrates and where they are taking us? What would you call it, “The Exterminator,” “Attack of the Population Planners” (in which Margaret Sanger rises from the grave to perform vasectomies and tubal ligations?), “Raiders of The Lost Fertility,” “The Incredible Shrinking Family”?

There would be no shortage villains – among them, the neo-Malthusians, including Paul Ehrlich of “The Population Bomb” fame (who confidently predicted mass worldwide starvation in the late 1960s, when the earth’s population was 3 billion), Zero Population Growth, Britain’s Optimum Population Trust, the United Nations Population Fund (Contraceptives and Abortion R Us), the carbon-footprint crowd, including Al Gore, who says we must stabilize the world’s population through “fertility management” – “educating and empowering women and girls” to make the right choices – by which he means the choices of which Al Gore approves - contraception and abortion.

While the demographers I know are great guys, none of them looks like Indiana Jones.

Things would happen too slowly for it to be a drama. Perhaps it could be a tragicomedy – combining both tragic and comic elements.

One thing is certain: it would be a script without an ending. Because how this movie ends depends on you.


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To: Boiling point
Conservatives continue to procreate while the left, through abortion, same sex unions, and cohabitation, are culling themselves to extinctionn
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The godless left ( communists really) are **not** culling themselves to extinction. They don't need kids! They have the godless and socialist-funded government schools!

The left ( communist-lites) have all the kids they need in the godless, socialist-funded, government indoctrination camps! Why bother having kids when like cuckoo birds they can push conservatives out of the nest?

Fact: The Barna Institute research shows that 85% of children from highly active Christian homes will NOT be active in their faith 2 years after graduating from high school. The opposite is true for homeschoolers. 95% of homeschoolers will be active in their faith.

Fact: The Barna Institute research on the NON-Christian beliefs of those young adults who call themselves Christians is dismaying!

61 posted on 10/17/2011 9:31:45 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: Boiling point
As a conservative, militant some might say, I see great positives in this report. Conservatives continue to procreate while the left, through abortion, same sex unions, and cohabitation, are culling themselves to extinction.

True a far as it goes. However, "they" are trying to hijack "our" kids via the school system.We can outbreed and outlast "them" only if we don't let them brainwash our kids into becoming clones of "them."

62 posted on 10/17/2011 9:43:59 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

The sad thing is that we are beyond the even horizon.

I fear for my daughter and the world she will inherit.


63 posted on 10/17/2011 10:31:47 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is an excellent speech. Liberals love to scream that we’re overpopulated, especially with the world population about to hit 7 billion. Even if you read the comments to the movie/documentary Demographic Winter, you still see liberals bleating on about overpopulation. However, I have tried to point out in debates with them that the population of westernized and some asian countries is below replacement level. The U.S. is barely meeting replacement level and that is due to immigration from Mexico. The social programs that liberals advocate are not going to be sustainable without a population that is at replacement level. There will be more elderly than young to take care of them. I saw a documentary on Japan where they are having this problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG67vfjjT24

A point he didn’t get into was the increasing Muslim population with relation to our decreasing population:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&feature=fvwrel

Abortion has of course wiped millions off this planet and continues every day.

Phil Magnan, Director of Biblical Family Advocates had this to say, “It really makes one think that if the world is aborting 46 million children a year by surgical abortion, what are the real figures on the use of other forms of abortion? It is already bad enough that we are surgically aborting 1 Billion children every 22 years. Now we have to face a very grim fact, that the number of abortions world wide, are much higher than we thought, into the billions.” http://www.abortiontv.com/Misc/AbortionStatistics.htm

I read that one poster commented that there is a “positive” to all these abortions - less liberals. I don’t think there can ever be a positive effect of abortion. Afterall, the children killed, while many would likely turn out liberal, were completely innocent. Even if they were born liberal, a person shouldn’t be sentenced to death based on political beliefs. Besides, the libs are still able to convert conservative kids through the media, culture, and public schools as another poster pointed out.

Regardless, libs will continue to have less children and have and support abortion. They’ll encourage people to have less children and mock families like the Duggars. In order to deal with the increasing elderly population, they’ll support assisted suicide/euthanasia.


64 posted on 10/17/2011 5:17:00 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Guy Gardner

>>Let me get this straight. Because I have chosen not to get married and have children, I am by definition selfish? <<

Yep.
How much money are my kids going to pay for your SS, Medicare and Medicare Part B?

Unless you’re planning to out yourself, you can not possibly put in enough to pay for it. So because you’re choosing not to give the system some payers, you’re just sucking and not producing.

That’s selfish. Living it up and having someone else pay for it.


65 posted on 10/17/2011 7:47:16 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
Unless you’re planning to out yourself,

"Out" myself?

???

you can not possibly put in enough to pay for it. So because you’re choosing not to give the system some payers, you’re just sucking and not producing.

So you're criticizing me for not producing heirs which would produce revenue to be confiscated by the State and then distributed via socialized medicine and the Ponzi scheme of SS.

That's quite the philosophy you have there...

66 posted on 10/17/2011 9:40:48 PM PDT by Guy Gardner
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To: Guy Gardner

>>”Out” myself?<<
Yep, because unless you do, or have kids to support you, you are depending on the kindness of others to keep your sorry butt alive.

>>So you’re criticizing me for not producing heirs which would produce revenue to be confiscated by the State and then distributed via socialized medicine and the Ponzi scheme of SS. <<

Nope, for taking from it. Or any tax that my kids pay for. Like the roads? My kids will be paying long after you’re not. Police? Fire? You are living your lifestyle on the backs of future generations.
Go get Mark Steyn’s America Alone and educate yourself.


67 posted on 10/18/2011 4:57:45 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
>>”Out” myself?<<

Yep, because unless you do, or have kids to support you, you are depending on the kindness of others to keep your sorry butt alive.

Gee, and here I thought I was depending on my retirement savings and the accumulated wealth which I've been building up for the last 30 years.

Nope, for taking from it. Or any tax that my kids pay for. Like the roads? My kids will be paying long after you’re not. Police? Fire? You are living your lifestyle on the backs of future generations.

Not me. Unlike over half of Americans, I'm a net tax payer, not a net tax recipient. Unless I live to 100, there's no way I'll get more out of SS & Medicare what I put in. On the other hand, your kids have (on average) a better than 50% chance of being net tax recipients, thus a drain on the system.

The (obvious) solution is not to have such socialist programs as Medicare and SS in the first place, yes?

68 posted on 10/18/2011 7:15:54 AM PDT by Guy Gardner
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To: Guy Gardner

>>Gee, and here I thought I was depending on my retirement savings and the accumulated wealth which I’ve been building up for the last 30 years. <<

LOLOLOL!!!! Sure you have.
And, like my in-laws that came into retirement with 2 million in the bank, it’s only takes one long term illness to move you right to the Medicare rolls.
I’m sure you’re not that ignorant.

>>On the other hand, your kids have (on average) a better than 50% chance of being net tax recipients, thus a drain on the system. <<

You don’t know my kids. However, even taking your line of thinking, I have at least 1/2 my kids supporting me. You have none.


69 posted on 10/18/2011 7:38:32 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
And, like my in-laws that came into retirement with 2 million in the bank, it’s only takes one long term illness to move you right to the Medicare rolls.

An anecdote.

Wow.

I might go through a similar situation to that of your in-laws. You might as well, in which case you'll also be on the Medicare rolls with expenses far in excess of the contributions of your offspring. I also might die in an auto accident tomorrow. The simple fact is there's no way to know the future, but I am doing everything I can *not* to be a net tax burden; I certainly haven't been one so far.

How "selfish" of me...

You don’t know my kids. However, even taking your line of thinking, I have at least 1/2 my kids supporting me. You have none.

The other half (the kids that are net tax burdens) would cancel out the half that are net tax payers under this scenario.

Look, I don't begrudge you having a large family. If it makes you happy, go for it. What I don't understand is the need for some to attack the character of those who choose not to have children.

70 posted on 10/18/2011 12:58:52 PM PDT by Guy Gardner
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To: Guy Gardner

>>What I don’t understand is the need for some to attack the character of those who choose not to have children. <<

Seriously, go read Mark Steyn’s America Alone and come back.
You need an education on WHY we need replacements rates. When people like you chose lifestyle over kids, the country goes down the path of the UK.

Hang out here a while and you’ll learn something too.


71 posted on 10/18/2011 1:29:32 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
When people like you chose lifestyle over kids, the country goes down the path of the UK.

It's rather a moot point in my case, given that I'm about to turn 50. Even if I wanted kids (which I don't) I wouldn't start a family at that age. I don't want to get married, and I don't even particularly like children, so becoming a father wouldn't be a very responsible thing to do, would it?

There has always been, and will always be, a fraction of the American population who choose not to have children. In spite of this, the projected population of the US in 2050 is 439 million (compared to today's 310 million). It doesn't seem that my choosing only to raise a Husky is having too much of an impact!

72 posted on 10/18/2011 2:17:40 PM PDT by Guy Gardner
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To: Guy Gardner

You rationalize things well.

Stick around and educate yourself. When Aisha in her headscarf or Maria who speaks no English is taking care of you in your old age, your decision may look different.


73 posted on 10/18/2011 2:22:13 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
You rationalize things well.

Since that's your only counter to the facts and arguments I presented, I can only assume that I should substitute "make rational choices" for "rationalize things" in the above sentence.

Stick around and educate yourself. When Aisha in her headscarf or Maria who speaks no English is taking care of you in your old age, your decision may look different.

Ah, so you're not afraid that there won't be enough people in the USA in the future after all...you're just concerned that there won't be enough of the right kind of people.

Got it.

74 posted on 10/18/2011 2:34:05 PM PDT by Guy Gardner
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To: netmilsmom

It’s really funny how the people that accuse the childless of being selfish always throw having kids to support you into their argument. THAT’S the selfish move, creating life for the sole purpose of having somebody to wipe your butt in your dotage is the most selfish thing imaginable. If there’s somebody selfish in this thread it’s you, not to mention insulting, and just plain shrill.


75 posted on 10/18/2011 2:48:18 PM PDT by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: Guy Gardner

>>Ah, so you’re not afraid that there won’t be enough people in the USA in the future after all...you’re just concerned that there won’t be enough of the right kind of people. <<

Exactly. Maybe you haven’t noticed but America is a Melting Pot. The two women I mentioned aren’t melting. Get it?


76 posted on 10/18/2011 6:04:46 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: discostu

77 posted on 10/18/2011 6:09:54 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: netmilsmom
Exactly. Maybe you haven’t noticed but America is a Melting Pot. The two women I mentioned aren’t melting. Get it?

Those would be the two fictional women that you just made up, yes?

(A woman who would dare to wear a headscarf...oh, the horror!)

In any case, let me assure you that your concerns are clear as crystal.

78 posted on 10/18/2011 6:39:16 PM PDT by Guy Gardner
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To: Guy Gardner

(A woman who would dare to wear a headscarf...oh, the horror!)
I can live with the headscarves. The bad is their husbands plan on replacing your laws with Sharia law.


79 posted on 10/18/2011 6:57:09 PM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: discostu
I will laugh when you cry for someone to wipe your butt or empty your bedpan.
80 posted on 10/18/2011 7:01:47 PM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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