Bachmann, Cain won't say Romney is a Christian

Dalls News ^ | Oct 9, 2011 | Wayne Slater

[Clairity]

Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann dodged questions Sunday whether Romney is a Christian. The issue arose during the just-completed Values Voters Summit in Washington, exposing tensions among evangelicals over Romney's religious faith, as we reported today. Dallas Baptist pastor Robert Jeffress kicked things off by endorsing Rick Perry and declaring that Mormonism is a cult and Romney is not a Christian.

Speakers went back and forth on the issue -- and Romney himself weighed in, denouncing "poisonous speech" that doesn't help the nominating process. Asked about Jeffress' comments, Perry said he doesn't believe Mormonism is a cult.

[blaquebyrd]

Even if one can set aside the peculiarities of Mormonism and it's belief in magic drawers, there should be no way any conservative can get past the devastating video linked at post #92. Romney, in his own voice spouts and defends liberal doctrine more effectively than Obama has done as president. Why conservatives and more importantly FReepers choose to blindly ignore Mitts own words blows my mind! Click on the damn link! If Romney is our nominee it's a win-win for the liberals. Who cares what label he wears when he espouses the exact same positions as Obama. Conservatives better wake up.

[brytlea]

Well, if it is a choice between Romney and Obama (please let this not be the case) and they stay home, then whatever we get they will have to live with the consequences. That’s all I can say. They choose whether they go and pull the lever or not. We have one option in a free country and that is at the ballot box.

[Jeff Chandler]

When you folks learn to comprehend the written word, you will find that nowhere have I endorsed Mormonism, in fact I have gone out of my way to separate my opinion of Mormonism from my opinion of a possible Mormon president. You will also find that nowhere have I endorsed Romney's presidential candidacy. You don't have a clue what I think of Romney or Mormonism.

My posts where circumspect-they concerned a hypothetical Mormon president. And nowhere in your postings did I read anything to bolster your positions. You only addressed LDS theology and practices, which, if you had read what I had posted, I chose not to address.

But per your Joseph Smith

If you think that I am LDS then you are too blinded by your emotions to do the simplest research.

[Gene Eric]

Probably due to his “Muslim faith”.

[blaquebyrd]

"Well, if it is a choice between Romney and Obama (please let this not be the case) and they stay home, then whatever we get they will have to live with the consequences."

Mitt and Obama agree on TARP, Abortion, Affirmative Action, Amnesty, Border Security, Gun Control and Government Mandated Health-care. A vote for one is a vote for both. Please stop pretending there's an ounce of difference between the two. Hell they can't even debate, they agree on all the issues. Conservatives we can do better than this.

[blaquebyrd]

Oh, I forgot Global Warming, Mitt agrees with Obama on that too.

[Grey Eagle]

How are we desperate? It is still early in the game. I certainly don’t use liberal talking points. That is something that is used by you and some of the others in trashing Governor Perry.

[delacoert]

When you folks learn to comprehend the written word ...
... nowhere in your postings did I read anything to bolster your positions.

K

Wile E. Coyote

[blaquebyrd]

To the Bachmann staffers whom I know monitor this site, please forward my posts to Michelle because I know she's the only candidate left with balls to directly confront the conservative fraud we've come to know as Mitt Romney. Ask him directly how could he ever successfully debate Obama when they share the same positions.

[newzjunkey]

For me it’s Romney’s policies that matter, not his Mormonism.

[brytlea]

Well then maybe Obama will just get rid of Biden and run with Mitt Romney as his VP.

[Antoninus]

Who gives a fudge. I don’t care if the man is a snake-handler. He’s a LIBERAL snake-handler and that disqualifies him in my book.

[Elsie]

Thats a question Mormons should answer. Not Bachmann, or Cain.

Let are a LOT of questioins that MORMONs 'should' answer; but they refuse to do so.

Thus; it is left to the rest of us to dig out the facts.

[Elsie]

But racism isn’t in their book of faults any more, neither is it Mitt’s.

It sure took GOD a long time to get their attention!!!

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

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Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 

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[Elsie]

(It’s taken quite a while to ‘paint over’ this rock that keeps troubling MORMONism, too.)

[Elsie]

Theology aside, I think the rectitude of the Mormons is admirable.

They are spineless weasels!

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Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

[Elsie]

My views on the matter of Mormom history, theology, and identity as Christian would most certainly anger a lot of Mormons, but the subject is not germane to presidential politics.

Why would they be ANGRY?

They KNOW that they are right, and anything that YOU'D say would just be wrong.

[Elsie]

...the Mormons I know are damn fine people.

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. Quite the opposite of some evangelicals I've had the misfortune to come across.

Got any QUANTITIES to fill in the blanks in your statement of generalities?

[Elsie]

It’s Islam, not Christianity, that is the taqqiya religion.

So it's NOT ok to bigoted against a religion; unless it's ISLAM.

Got it...

[Elsie]

It’s Islam, not Christianity, that is the taqqiya religion.

So it's NOT ok to be bigoted against a religion; unless it's ISLAM.

Got it...