Posted on 08/30/2011 9:43:21 AM PDT by CA Conservative
Raleigh, N.C. – If there was any question that Rick Perry is the new Republican presidential frontrunner before now, PPP’s latest poll of South Carolina confirms it. A week ago, PPP showed Perry jumping to a narrow lead in first-caucus Iowa. Now, he has a double-digit lead in what will likely be the third-voting state. Perry tops with 36% to Mitt Romney’s 16%, Michele Bachmann’s 13%, Herman Cain’s 9%, Newt Gingrich’s 8%, Ron Paul’s 5%, Rick Santorum’s 4%, and Jon Huntsman’s 2%. This is a sea change from when PPP last polled the race in June, with Perry not included. Romney led with 30% to Cain’s and Gingrich’s 15%, Bachmann’s 13%, and Paul’s 10%.
If Sarah Palin joins the fray, it has no impact on Perry’s dominance but a lot on Bachmann’s standing. Palin would place third at 10% behind Perry still at 36%, Romney at 13%, followed by Cain’s 9%, and Bachmann and Gingrich tied at 7%.
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>> “And how would Mitt Perry rate on the issues if they were to include his pro-ILLEGAL alien history in the ratings, which they clearly do not?” <<
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But Pew polls are not done to gather data; they are done to sway opinion, so the data you profer would definitely be counter productive to their purpose: Controlling the GOP primary, so that they get an easily beatable candidate, like Perry.
That’s certainly the way I see it.
The same way Republicans are going gaga for Perry. It is all myth.
Until OTI factors in Perry's entire record, his rating there is a falsehood.”
Absolutely,people are not looking close at this RINO!
“Perry’s record doesn’t bother me enough to vote for Obama.”
It has 5 major issues, including Perry wanting to get immigrant farmworkers. It does not mention texas giving in-state tuition for illegals.
Other than those who serve in the military, I don't know that Perry favors a patch to citizenship for illegals. While he opposes a physical border fence, he supports border security, well enough that NumbersUsa says he's good on that issue, and can be rated "excellent" if he writes down his plan.
He opposed an SB1070-type law for Texas. He did not say Arizona's law should be repealed or support the feds suing Arizona, so your claim is misleading on that point.
It's just a web site; they have issues they track for everybody, and some sort of formula they use to track social and fiscal issues so they can rate.
I find it useful NOT necessarily to get an absolute rating, but rather to compare candidates on the same rating scale. They are pretty thorough, the items you noted notwithstanding -- when you think of how many politicians they have to rate. I believe they have a way you can contact them to provide linked evidence of positions on issues.
There's no need to think about it. The answer is in the part that you quoted: Sarah Paliin 10% = 6% from Bachmann, 3% from Romney, and 1% from Gingrich.
Think about it longer.
It's bizarre to say that there are NO Palin supporters who would vote for Perry, if Palin doesn't run.
My point was, the website does not mention any of Perry's negatives on immigration. All factors, negatives included, should have been used in evaluating his position on immigration. For example:
Perry favors a path to citizenship for ILLEGAL aliens who serve in the military. That is illegal as only legal residents or those with a Green Card can serve in the US military
Enlistment into the U.S. Navy, or any branch of the U.S. military, by citizens of countries other than the United States is limited to those foreign nationals who are legally residing in the United States and possess an Immigration and Naturalization Service Alien Registration Card (INS Form I-151/551 — commonly known as a "Green Card").
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=167
That is a negative in that it is not a conservative position.
And Perry advocated for instate tuition for ILLEGAL aliens. Again, that is not a conservative position and would have certainly affected his conservative rating
Perry opposed the border fence. That is not the conservative position and had it been factored in it would have negatively affected his conservative rating.
Perry opposed Arizona's SB1070. So did the Obama administration. So again, that is not a conservative position and had it been factored in it would have certainly negatively affected his conservative rating.
For contrast, let’s look at what On The Issues used to rate Sarah Palin.
They said, ” • Supports a path to citizenship, but no amnesty for illegals. (Oct 2008)
A negative that certainly affected her conservative rating.
• Has not often expressed views on illegal immigration. (Aug 2008)
A negative that was certainly used to determine her conservative rating.
• Took no action on Alaska’s “sanctuary cities”. (Sep 2006)
A negative that was certainly used to determine her conservative rating.
I’m sure you see my point. Palin has her negatives on immigration and they were used to factor her rating.
Perry has his negatives and they were NOT used to factor his conservative rating.
That makes him rating at OTI false and thus meaningless.
Information, including negatives, that OTI used for calculating the conservative rating for Palin.
I know it was along post and I thank you for your patience.
Not necessarily. Bachmann and Cain lack major financial backing or experience. Santorum hasn't held office in awhile.
Palin is the only credible candidate further right than Perry who could win the nomination and even that is debatable.
Perry has his flaws but he also has a trump card in his deck which is Texas' robust job growth in the face of a national recession.
I think a lot of FReepers see that he's the most practical choice to beat Obama even if he's not the full slate. He's further right than Dubya and FR was full-bore pro-Bush for at least six years.
If Palin jumps in, I'm happy with Palin or Perry but the last thing any of us wants is for them to cancel each other out and give us Romney.
I give some people credit for being pragmatic in the face of four years or Obama.
B U M P
Thanks for the well wishes, God bless you and yours as well.
However,Lydia Saad is not in charge at Gallup, and George Gallup has absolutely no connection with the company anymore. Gallup was bought and payed for by CNN/USA Today for many years, now just USA Today.
Frank Luntz I know very well, one of the worst as far as I am concerned, so we will have to agree to disagree... All the best to you :)
Absolutely, and it started many years ago. Really not that much different than how things used to be before the internet,Fox News et. CBS,NBC,ABC basically told America what they felt they needed to hear.
Right now they are pushing Perry with all they have, but now will ease up and start attacking him.
Somewhat of the push by MSM for Perry, is really designed to somehow persuade Gov Palin to not get into the race. First they pushed Bachmann for same reason.
The MSM/Rep Est really hates/fears Sarah Palin.
Interesting.
I guess if one trusts CNN then one would trust Gallup.
All your remarks fall when faced with the simple fact that there was NO more conservative governor in the nation than W. None, zero, nada. Americans barely elected him after he had been painted as the reincarnation of Genghis Khan.
No, Americans would not have wanted to return to the Reagan years WITHOUT Reagan. We had NO Reagan. Bush was as close as we could get. There was NO alternative.
Where is this “more conservative” than Bush phantom you keep bringing up? He didn’t exist.
Yes, I hate to shock you with the idea of political deals but they happen. I know living in Illinois we are just used to having RAT deals shoved down our throats but they do exist.
Bush mouthed all the conservative principles you could hope for but his style had never been as a strident advocate. He took the most important aspect of the presidency - protecting this nation from its enemies - as seriously as any president. For this I will always appreciate him.
I am a Palin guy but I have to say that “pushing” a candidate and reporting on the newest hot story are two different things. Perry is a hot story now but the media does not like him. Sarah has been a hot story since her nomination and the media has given her incredible exposure, not all attacks, is it pushing her? Hell no. It is deathly afraid of her. Believe me Perry is next on its list of hates. Just being from Texas gets him waaay up there.
Think of it this way then....A huge study concludes that drinking a gallon of orange juice a day will assure you live to be at least 90 years old.
small print at the bottom says that the entire study was funded by the FUOG (Florida union of Orange growers)
The scientists/Dr`s that worked on the study say that in no way was the result fashioned towards the FUOG.
same deal with the Gallup Org in bed with USA Today and formerly CNN...last time I checked both outfits were liberal.
No - if they were telling me what I wanted to hear, it would be that Jim DeMint had jumped into the race, and Romney, Palin, Bachmann, Perry, Huntsman, and Santorum had all decided to throw in the hat and go on book tours, while Herman Cain was angling for the Veep slot.
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