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Can Islam Be Reformed?
Townhall.com ^ | August 2, 2011 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 08/02/2011 5:54:56 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

Dennis’ attempt at a slam-dunk was REJECTED!


41 posted on 08/02/2011 6:47:05 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Hayek
That burst was because the Moslem Caliphate stretched from India to Spain and allowed a mixing of thoughts and ideas, taking Indian mathematics, Greek geometry, Irani astronomy etc. and merging them together

The ones doing the merging were mostly non-Moslems

But as the % of Moslems increased, the developments decreased. the countries that became 100% Moslem were the cess-pits of the Islamic world from early on -- like Yemen and Saudi Arabia.

What a pity as yemen 5000 years ago was probably more advanced than it is now....

42 posted on 08/02/2011 6:47:13 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Little Ray; Travis McGee

both of you are exactly correct.

as for the “Demon” part, if you read the Sira, in addition to ahadith and Quran, it is clear, that the “angel of light” Mohammad first saw in the cave, is the Prince of Lies himself.

in ANY encounter with angels in the Bible, the human is told “be not afraid”. Yet the angel in the cave, TERRIFIED Mohammad, and choked him, and shook him!
Jesus himself, warned that Satan could still appear as an angel of light.

other things, show that Islam IS the religion of Satan.
for example, Psalms says Satan doesn’t like music.
in Islam, music is haram.
in the Bible, old and new testaments, marriage is a special sacrament.
Ephesians says the husband should care for his wife, as Jesus loves his church!!!
in Islam, a woman is property, a field for the man to tilth at will.
The Bible warns those who hurt childen. Mohammad is told he can rape captives, and have sex with a 9 year old child!


43 posted on 08/02/2011 6:49:47 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Elendur

Dennis Praeger is over-educated, overrated, and believes his own press. He over-intellectualizes everything into psychobabble.


44 posted on 08/02/2011 6:51:57 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Kaslin

Prager is one of my fav writers/thinkers, but here he’s writing a pipe dream.

Even Christianity is made up of those who buy into and use the scriptures they like that support their views, and reject those others that may contradict their views.

So it is with Islamic doctrine today.

Reason and logic have no place in current Islamic theology, hence there is no basis on which Prager’s excellent points can be built that a Muslim will accept. A few maybe, but never the masses. Masses don’t think. They only react on emotion.


45 posted on 08/02/2011 6:52:04 AM PDT by Arlis (- Virginia loghome/woods-dweller/Jesus lovin'/Bible-totin'/"gun-clinger")
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To: B4Ranch

thanks, needed that !

46 posted on 08/02/2011 6:52:47 AM PDT by tomkat (Palin/West '12)
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To: Kaslin
Can Islam Be Reformed?

Perhaps -- if it ceases to be Islam.

47 posted on 08/02/2011 6:55:11 AM PDT by _a_0_0_
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To: MuttTheHoople
Islam can be reformed if all Muslims would accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and repudiate Mohammed as a false prophet.

The it wouldn't be Islam anymore, would it?

48 posted on 08/02/2011 6:55:15 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Elendur

Pretty much the way I look at it, too. Mohammed the demon-possessed pedophile and his demonic master created a religion to turn bandits into a conquering horde.


49 posted on 08/02/2011 6:56:24 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Kaslin
Reform? I don't think so...

Ramadan Attacks

50 posted on 08/02/2011 6:57:51 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: nuconvert

Obviously the people mentioned in the article are still alive.
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i asked my Imam about that. i was told, that it was not mandatory to kill apostates who lived in the “House of War”.
and, as with taquiyya and kitman, they understand “bad press”.
and the furthering of Islam, takes priority over individual justice.
that is why the Muslim Brotherhood officially denounces violence and terrorism.


51 posted on 08/02/2011 6:59:43 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kaslin

This tortured list of manure the author thinks Islam is somehow capable of swallowing, denies the facts. Islam will only bow to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, upon his second coming. A time when it will be painfully obvious that HIS power, is greater than that of Allah. Assuming of course that any followers of the religion of peace remain to view the second coming.

JMHO!


52 posted on 08/02/2011 6:59:45 AM PDT by wita
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To: Kaslin

“Can Islam be Reformed?”

No but it probably can be eradicated.


53 posted on 08/02/2011 7:00:22 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: tomkat

Interesting piece of history

In 1872 the Arabs invented the condom, using a goat’s lower intestine.

In 1873 the British somewhat refined the idea by first removing the intestine out of the goat.


54 posted on 08/02/2011 7:00:44 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are..)
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To: Kaslin

Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen?
Consider this:
Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co - exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually, no, because when we declare “one nation under God,” the Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran’s 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it’s still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country.


55 posted on 08/02/2011 7:00:51 AM PDT by JayAr36
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To: Cronos

That burst was because the Moslem Caliphate stretched from India to Spain and allowed a mixing of thoughts and ideas, taking Indian mathematics, Greek geometry, Irani astronomy etc. and merging them together

The ones doing the merging were mostly non-Moslems
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excellent summary. (your other posts are perfect also.)


56 posted on 08/02/2011 7:01:28 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: wita

Not just your opinion, it states so in God’s Word.


57 posted on 08/02/2011 7:02:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin
I disagree totally with Praeger on many things.Praeger is seriously deluded and out of touch to think Islam is reformable.
58 posted on 08/02/2011 7:03:57 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: Kaslin
Of course Islam can be reformed, but be careful what you wish for. The Christian reformation took roughly 150 years (from the early 1500s to the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648) and claimed the lives of possibly a third of Europe in the process.

The more apt question is "Can Islam be peacefully reformed?". To that history offers no cause for optimism.

59 posted on 08/02/2011 7:05:26 AM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: BigFinn

Very well put.


60 posted on 08/02/2011 7:06:29 AM PDT by wita
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