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U.S. considers 56.2 mpg vehicle fuel standard -WSJ
reuteurs ^ | 6/26/11 | reuteurs

Posted on 06/26/2011 8:33:12 PM PDT by Flavius

EW YORK, June 26 (Reuters) - The Obama administration is considering requiring all new cars and trucks sold in the United States to get an average of 56.2 miles per gallon by 2025, The Wall Street Journal reported on Sunday.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: babythereignmustfall; cars; glowballwarming; maroons; michigan; mileage; mpg; pony; regulations; unicorns
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To: Flavius

This will probably be null and void in a year and a half when we get a real president.


81 posted on 06/27/2011 7:33:32 AM PDT by erod (Unlike the President I am a true Chicagoan.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I would die before I let someone do that to me as part of their “sustainability and redistribution” agenda....


82 posted on 06/27/2011 8:13:22 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Flavius

56.2 mpg and we must use fuel that cannot possibly allow us to do that.


83 posted on 06/27/2011 8:23:46 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Milli Obama Vanilli - Just mouthing the words that show up on TOTUS)
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To: Flavius

TRANSLATION & disambiguation

Hundreds of useless eater EPA bureaucrats are making a desperate attempt to make it look like they actually do some work from 9-5 instead of surfing for porn. This is a ridiculous mileage standard and has nothing to do with the real world. But it keeps them big Federale paychecks coming to the lard asses, the liberal arts majors and affirmative action hires that is the EPA swamp. Good luck getting an EPA job in DC if you are a white male and not gay.


84 posted on 06/27/2011 8:48:57 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Oh please! That’s a 50 percent increase over your 39 mpg highway mileage! Not going to happen unless the massively cheat on the MPGe calculations.


85 posted on 06/27/2011 9:19:08 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: sam_paine

Never though if that. My SUV, coasting down hill will show 60-70 MPG on the “instant MPG” display. Touch the gas and it goes right back down to a realistic figure.


86 posted on 06/27/2011 12:16:33 PM PDT by matt04
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To: RayChuang88

[However, developments in ultracapacitor batteries means they can be charged from a high-power commercial charging station and still be able to withstand potentially tens of thousands of recharge cycles without damaging the battery. ]

Where are tese ultracapacitors in operation, right now, in te real world? They have their own limitations, espcially regarding heat.

But the bigger problem is that you believe high power charging stations are going to appear. That implies stringing a huge amount of powerline infrastructure. It also mens building a huge amount of generating capacity when we can’t build squat by EPA decree. I’m just telling you, electric cars aren’t happening anytime soon.


87 posted on 06/27/2011 2:19:19 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: DaxtonBrown

[damn sticky ‘h’ on my keyboard]

Where are these ultracapacitors in operation, right now, in the real world? They have their own limitations, espcially regarding heat.

But the bigger problem is that you believe high power charging stations are going to appear. That implies stringing a huge amount of powerline infrastructure. It also mens building a huge amount of generating capacity when we can’t build squat by EPA decree. I’m just telling you, electric cars aren’t happening anytime soon.


88 posted on 06/27/2011 2:24:46 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: sam_paine; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

I agree. Hybrids will be able to deliver this kind of MPG by 2025. That’s good timing, because the Peak Oil Malthusians tell us we’ll be completely out of oil by then. ;’)

Battery technology has improved because of mobile electronics. The incentive to increase MPG will come from the sticky-downward OPEC price spiral. Vehicles for commuting will wind up one or two seaters (and the seats will probably be tandem, rather than side by side, at least in some models). New, lighter materials will also arise, fueled by the continued market for larger vehicles which also get better fuel economy. Metallic foams can be made in microgravity, but Mercedes was prototyping some metallic foams made down here on the surface.

Also, the CAFE idea was always pretty lame, and didn’t accomplish anything — the fivefold increase in crude did all the work. Auto weights dropped by half, and the aerodynamics improved; some of the weight decrease came in the form of smaller engines, which allowed fewer cylinders, smaller, lighter alternators, and the end of older-style sealed beam headlights (headlights are usually halogen now,which run hotter but give more light for the juice).

Another thing that will no doubt happen is, waivers and revisions to the requirement, among other things issued to hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, which will not get this kind of fuel economy because of the problem getting hydrogen density to a practical level. Liquid fuels have more energy than gaseous fuels; looking at the molecular energy potential doesn’t give a true picture.


89 posted on 06/27/2011 4:42:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv
Liquid fuels have more energy than gaseous fuels; looking at the molecular energy potential doesn’t give a true picture.

It does on a molar basis, but not on a voluminar basis, which is what concerns automotive engineers.

Cheers!

90 posted on 06/27/2011 4:51:42 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: sam_paine
  Yes - I guess they're pushing hybrids with their bogus calculations. I wonder when they'll force us to use sails. If this keeps up, we'll need several people just to go anywhere. One person will drive, two will operate the sails and 6 will be required to pedal the car when the wind dies down.
91 posted on 06/27/2011 6:55:05 PM PDT by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: Tallguy

It will happen. Who would have imagined a few years back that big luxury cars would get 27 mpg. It will happen. Technological advancement is a wonderful thing. Don’t be afraid of it. We don’t wan to go back to living in caves.


92 posted on 06/27/2011 10:28:20 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Flavius
With today's IC engines, you're right, it can't happen. With at least two of the new kinds of IC engines which appear ready to go at this juncture, 50 - 100 mpg in something like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry should be fairly easy. The AngelLabs engine.

The OPOC engine.


93 posted on 06/28/2011 5:29:49 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Fine
And the magic grid will power it all


94 posted on 06/28/2011 10:59:42 AM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: Flavius

Try electricity generated by thorium reactors. The potential is there.


95 posted on 06/28/2011 3:23:38 PM PDT by varmintman
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