Posted on 01/10/2011 1:42:00 AM PST by goldstategop
Arizona gun laws were relaxed further in 2010 when Gov. Jan Brewer (R) signed a National Rifle Association-backed bill repealing a state law requiring gun owners to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. State law now permits anyone 21 or older and legally qualified to own a firearm to carry the weapon without a concealed-to-carry permit.
Brewer's predecessor, Janet Napolitano, now secretary of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, had previously vetoed attempts to toss out the concealed-carry permit law.
The new law won praise from gun groups.
"This is a major victory for gun owners in Arizona," Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA's political arm in Washington, said at the time. "The NRA is also grateful . . . for this measure making Arizona the third state in the nation behind Vermont and Alaska to offer its residents a constitutional carry option."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
"The people that you would be trying to control are not concerned about breaking some little city ordinance," she said. "If they're thinking about taking life, do you think the fact that their gun isn't properly registered is something that even crosses their minds? That's why the gun restriction laws we just think are ridiculous."
She gets it. Someone who is determined to murder someone in cold blood is not going to care if he acquired his gun legally. The point is gun control laws only disarm the good guys. The bad guys can still kill you and they've already broken every law of God to do that before they even think about breaking a gun control law. Up yours, WashCompost!
And so it starts, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) wants to introduce new gun control laws this week.
In this case, the perp had a history of confrontation with school and local LEO. The sheriff should not have approved his CCW.
You don’t need a CCW in AZ. You need one IF you go to other states that have such laws. You can pack without a permit ANYWHERE in the state.
I did not know that. Are there any permits at all? In NC, if you don’t want a CCW, but want to purchase a pistol, you have to obtain a pistol purchase permit which only takes about a week to process the background check.
In AZ, you need to pass a federal background check when you purchase a firearm and when you do - you can carry it concealed - no permit required. If you want to go out of state with it, you might want to check into a permit for reciprocity carry.
“The sheriff should not have approved his CCW.”
So...if someone has “a history of confrontation with school and local LEO”, then they lose the right to self-defense? If you flip the bird at a teacher, or call a cop an ass (not smart, but not illegal), then you should no longer have the right to defend yourself from criminals?
Do you REALLY think someone like the Pima County sheriff, who believes the people of Arizona are hate-filled bigots for opposing democrat policies, should have the right to decide who can carry a gun?
“You can pack without a permit ANYWHERE in the state.”
Not quite. There are a number of places you cannot carry, such as military bases & schools. Also, a CCW permit holder can carry in a place that serves alcohol, but a not permit person cannot - IIRC.
Hell, no - the last person on earth I’d want to give discretion in deciding who gets to defend themselves is a corrupt Democratic LEO like Dupnik. Fortunately, AZ has eliminated the CCW requirement so he has no say in who gets to carry in his county.
My understanding is you CAN carry unloaded to those places - and in bars you can’t imbibe alcohol while carrying a gun.
And, where the hell was that loud mouth sheriff in all this? Why wasn't he or one of his like minded clones with a "legal" firearm present to protect these people from further harm?
Therefore, according to the Washington Poot, legal guns must be banned.
“My understanding is you CAN carry unloaded to those places...”
Nope. At least, I know you cannot carry a gun on a military base unless it is registered and you are transporting it to go somewhere...typically, you must live on the base and be transporting it to go shooting.
Since I don’t carry an unloaded weapon, I don’t know how the law views an unloaded weapon is AZ. It does allow you to carry an unloaded weapon in a school zone, but requires that it “is not loaded and that is carried within a means of transportation under the control of an adult provided that if the adult leaves the means of transportation the firearm shall not be visible from the outside of the means of transportation and the means of transportation shall be locked.” So you cannot carry an unloaded gun into a classroom without permission...
Something went wrong between the school alerting the parents, and perhaps meeting with them, and the guy legally obtaining a firearm a couple months later.
In all probability he'd have found another way be it making a bomb or using a car as a weapon.
In San Diego, it's virtually impossible to obtain a CCW and a lawsuit challenging the difficulty is under appeal.
One of those who helped hold the shooter down until police arrived was a CCW permit holder who had his weapon on him when he heard gunshots outside the drug store where he was completing a purchase. He went toward the sound of gunfire but saw they already had the person subdued and he didn't feel it would be wise to be seen waving or even holding a gun when police arrived.
Pretty sharp guy!
I have permit and a weapon. I constantly play “what-if” as I drive around. I try to envision situations where I might have to make the decision on the spur of the moment to display a weapon. 99 times out of 100 I decide very quickly it would not be wise to draw a gun in the situation.
Before I had the permit I smugly thought it would be an easy decision. Now that I have it, and a loaded weapon within easy reach, I feel quite differently about it.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/Jan-30-Sun-2005/news/25766120.html
Has anyone heard if there was anyone else that tried to respond to this wacko job with returned gunfire?
The system is chock full of holes, some really big.
I had to wade through a lot of extra effort when I applied for my CCW permit because I had been arrested on a bad check ($5.00) 48 years ago. The warrant was issued in one county and served in another county some 200 miles away.
Had the CCW gods not been on my side and had both counties not had records nearly 50 years old I would have been denied the permit. The check charge and arrest were both in Alabama and they had copies of the original documents. They provided them for $5.00.
This guy should never have been able to access to a weapon, but denying thousands of others the right to possess and carry a weapon is not the answer. Or if it is then we're asking the wrong damnned questions!
That isn't what bothers me. He bought it legally. What bothers me is that he was clearly a nutcase and nobody was able to do anything about it. As a society, we are too tolerant of nut cases.
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