Posted on 12/15/2010 12:54:18 PM PST by OldDeckHand
A military jury has convicted an Army doctor who disobeyed orders to deploy to Afghanistan because he questions President Obama's eligibility for office.
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Completely agree...he did not endeavor on this quest alone.
I am interested in knowing his source for birther information, and how he became convinced this was a worthwhile pursuit. Personally, I blame Joseph Farah...but that's just me.
Not only am I a conservative, but I can also read, although I'm not sure the same can be said for you.
If you think any of the Founders envisioned some kind of "religious test" for citizenship for children who were born on this soil, they're you're a moron.
Children who are born here, to at least ONE citizen-parent are citizens, and they're natural-born citizens. If you wish to argue otherwise, please do it with someone else because I believe such an argument to be moronic, and frankly I don't suffer fools. Peddle your stupidity elsewhere.
"unwritten tradition with no legal ramifications?"
What part of Israeli citizenship LAWS don't you get?
"Was Lieberman’s status with Israeli citizenship raised as as critical issue?
It wasn't raised as ANY kind of issue, critical or otherwise. Gee, I wonder why that was.
I haven't had time to read all of CAAFlog's reports. I don't know if it's been reported or not. But, I do know that witnesses will say unsolicited things on the witness stand. I'd have to read not only the witness testimony, but the question that prompted that testimony. Without reading the entire exchange, it's impossible to tell if it would have any material impact on appeal, especially absent a defense objection.
When was the last time America had a political prisoner?
Wrong. The degree of damage caused by a crime (e.g. insubordination) is most certainly relevant when determining what specific punishment (within the range of available punishments provided by law) is to be meted out.
You sound like the a-holes who spit on our troops as they returned from Vietnam.
Name calling, nastiness.
Unworthy of a response.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2643164/posts?page=308#308
Good. I'm only sorry you provided one anyways. Please, next time, don't.
“You sound like the a-holes who spit on our troops as they returned from Vietnam.”
You have the wrong person. I was on active duty during the Vietnam era and I felt the public disdain then. I’m currently a serving reservist. I have been in and out of military service since the early 70s.
I’m proud of our war fighters...it is the bureaucratic Judge Advocate General (JAG) types, of the COL Lind variety, that I have zero respect for. Souless functionaries that don’t belong in uniform.
I think even Mr. Robinson made clear the other day that following orders is the foundation of military discipline. The statutory authority by which orders must be obeyed is well-established and derives directly from the Constitution. It's not new, and Judge Lind articulated it correctly. It's willful ignorance to deny the clear letter of the law obvious to anyone versed in it.
What you propose is that individual military officers get to personally vet a duly elected President certified by Congress to see if he, and ultimately any other officers in the military, deserve their loyalty and obedience. That's radically anti-Constitutional. If you think that's how our system of government is established, that the military officer's oath can override the roles and responsibilities defined in the Constitution and statutes enacted thereof, then you have a poor understanding of the Constitution, the intent of the Founding Fathers and the military.
And, again, if you think anything going on with Lakin is equivalent to the SS and Nazi death camps, you are a hysterical fool at best. I'd try and explain to you why morally based legal systems have laws in the first place, with all their inevitable imperfections, but I'd clearly be wasting my time.
When Lakin started on this journey, I went back and looked at the half-dozen or so enlisted men (and one officer) that have been convicted at court-martial for similar offenses when they refused to deploy to George Bush's "illegal war" (or so they alleged). Generally, their punishment included confinement between 3-9 months, some punitive discharge and some forfeiture.
The one officer, Watahda(sp?) of course, skated because of the incompetence of the MJ. However, in my experience, officers generally are treated a bit more harshly when they're convicted of disciplinary offenses - like Articles 87 & 92.
I think Lakin, or any officer convicted for 87 and 92 would have seen 6-mos confinement, possible(probable) dismissal and at least some forfeiture. And, even without dismissal, eventual AdminSep a close to a certainty as you can get when convicted at GCM.
Of course, because that's a perfectly rational response. /s
"In the Lakin case they were just like the SS operating NAZI death camps. "
Naturally. Anyone who thinks Lakin is guilty of the alleged offenses, is a Nazi. Of course they are.
The Medal of Honor recipient who testified against Lakin, the convening authority, the military judge, the trial counsel - all Nazis.
Good luck with that argument.
1335: The members have sent for lunch to be brought in and will resume their deliberations shortly.
One update on courtroom personnel: Mr. Puckett has another case he has to attend to, in Italy, and has — with the consent of the excused — been excused from the remainder of the trial. The military counsel assigned to the defense team, MAJ Kemkes, will handle any further matters at trial and post-trial. Depending on the sentence, LTC Lakin may also be assigned military appellate counsel.
Yes, those of us who have been here a while understand the futility of this discussion.
“Good luck with that argument.”
Fella, you are a prime example of why the JAG Corps should be dissolved.
Your type will be the first to toss moral folks out of military service in the name of “military discipline” because they object to open homosexuality. You will destroy the very discipline you claim you want to protect. You will degrade the military you claim you want to protect. LTC Lakin was a man of high integrity that took a morally principled stand.
No, I have the moral high ground. It is you that fight on a souless/immoral ground (sewer/swamp). Personnel like yourself are the enablers of the horrors to come.
Let me put it another way. Do I think there is Command Influence? Yes. Do I think the Appeals Courts will find there is Command Influence? No.
I think his new lawyer told him he is pretty much screwed and to throw himself on the mercy of the court.
Yes, I get it. I'm a Nazi, too. Everyone's a Nazi except you.
I think we now see a real Sophie’s choice in action.
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