Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile

G2 Bulletin via WND ^ | 11-19-10 | Joseph Farah

[bigbob]

Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious contrail originating some 30 miles off the coast near Los Angeles did not come from a jet – but rather, they say the exhaust and the billowing plume emanated from a single source nozzle of a missile, probably made in China.

(Farah is the founder of WorldNet Daily)

[trickyricky]

It would be "politically incorrect" to admit there was an SLBM launched right off our left coast.
It makes our military look like boobs, and could frighten the sheeple.
If and when LA gets blown to smithereens we may look back at this incident and say, "Hmmmmm?"

[verity]

The missile was launched from the same NOKO midget sub that destroyed the oil rig in the Gulf. Get the facts straight.

[servantboy777]

I did not propose anything, I simply stated the contrail off the east coast looked very very similar to the contrail of the Titan rocket launch.

I did not resemble a plane....to me.

There was a huge plume down low, then a tight, dense arching contrail as the Titan shot out of sight.

Just tellin my perspective, whether or not I noticed the particular design makeup of the Titan should be left up to rocket scientist as yourself...wouldn't you agree Herr Oberth?

[RossA]

OK, I’ll buy the “made in China” but not the “Chinese missile” bs.

No way to prove it, but my bet is that North Korea set it off. Maybe the Chinese have given them a missile sub?

[muawiyah]

Hey, if it was a missile it was about 1 mile wide at launch.

I'd imagine it'd be hard keeping something like that secret for long eh!

[Cicero]

Well, I couldn’t tell much from the still photos, but I watched the video and read most of the reports.

It sure looked like a solid fuel booster to me. And since it came right up from the open ocean, miles from the nearest land, the likeliest source was a sub.

And since this is the kind of thing the Chinese navy has been doing in recent years, like that sub that surfaced in the middle of the fleet commanded by Admiral Mullen, my best guess is that the sub was Chinese.

Farah is not totally reliable. But I think he’s right on this one.

[pfflier]

The second stage of a JL-2 Missile is liquid fuelled and at operational altitudes would leave a very diffused exhaust plume. It would cover half of the horizon and look like an airborne jellyfish. Nope, try again.

[Keith in Iowa]

Come on now - we all know it was unicorn farts.

[muawiyah]

On the other hand there are those folks who think the Moon Landing was faked, and they'd probably argue that what you thought was a Titan missile was actually a cleverly disguised airplane ~ and you couldn't tell the difference (not that I couldn't, but you couldn't).

BTW, the California phenomenon had to do with airplanes and contrails and clouds, and the position of the Sun in the sky (just over the horizon). There was no missile.

[JEC]

Doesn’t iran and north korea have subs? Just wondering.

[Riley]

I have no idea whether it was a SLBM or something entirely different. A couple of observations though:

1. I’d be very surprised if the North Koreans have the capability to do this. I’d write that theory off.

2. The PLAN (Chinese Navy) does- but it makes zero sense for them to do so. If your potential opponent has an exploitable weakness like a relatively undefended coastline- it is glaring stupidity to point it out to him with a big, un-ignorable, dramatic display which will force them to take action to remedy it.

[Robe]

” Been thinking about this .. If it was a missile, the ChiComs and the Russians as well as France and Britain know about it, because they have similar assets to detect missile launches.
If it were launched by China or the US ,from the CA coast towards the NW as most seem to agree with , the Russians would have seen it as a threat and most prob. nuc’ed our asses.
If it were launched by Russia or the US, ChiComs would have seen it as a threat and nuc'ed our asses

I gotta go with Occam's razor on this one ...

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Looked identical to the contrail from the Titan launch.

I saw it on Monday night in person and on SeeBS News. (Think: Dan Rather)

I saw another one again in person on Tuesday night.

Both looked like jets to me.

I wonder why the one on Tuesday didn't make the news? /s

[Riley]

Doesn’t iran and north korea have subs? Just wondering.

Diesel-electric attack boats, I think. I know one of our resident bubbleheads will correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never heard of a diesel boat that could cross the ocean and launch a strategic high-trajectory ballistic missile. That's usually the province of a SSBN (nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine).

[23 Everest]

Wikileaks will have something on this in the next document dump. /s

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Haven’t you heard?

It wasn’t a missile. It was a weather balloon.

Cloth remains and asian-looking crash test dummies were recovered 3500 miles downrange upwind due to freak conditions.

[pfflier]

Just tellin my perspective, whether or not I noticed the particular design makeup of the Titan should be left up to rocket scientist as yourself

Funny you should say that. I am a rocket scientist.

I spent 9 years in the USAF maintaining and operationally launching Minuteman IIIs. I have participated in 6 launches and have witnessed many more of various types at Vandenberg AFB. After I got out of the USAF, I worked on the M-X project and participated in 3 test launches with that program also.

If you have any questions I'll be glad to answer them.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Well, I couldn’t tell much from the still photos, but I watched the video and read most of the reports.

I saw it in person on Monday night. On Tuesday night, there was another one in the exact same spot in the sky at the exact same time as Monday nights.

Weird. It was almost like they were scheduled flights or something. ;-)

Here's the link to Tuesday's contrail. Somehow, that one didn't make it to Tuesday's SeeBS News broadcast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJi2L4QC_fk

First, the SeeBS News broadcast from Monday night didn't give any perspective on how fast it was moving across the sky. I've see ICBM launches from Vandenberg AFB. This was much slower. It moved across the sky at the same speed as an airliner.

Second, the contrail didn't last as long as those from the ICBMs. When an ICBM launches the smoke trail lasts for hours and is visible even after dark. This one dissipated pretty quickly and once the sun went down it was no longer visible.

Third, the so-called exhaust flare was nothing more than the light from the setting sun reflecting off the belly of the jet. You can't tell this from the SeeBS News video because they were slightly out of focus.

In reality, it was an optical illusion caused by the relative humidity, season, time of day and the time the airliners flew over the area.

[Finny]

There were a lot of Freepers who were so SURE it was a contrail, berating anyone who thought otherwise.

Yep, and they're still at it, although most of them admit that they've never actually seen a missile launch themselves. (Interestingly, the bulk of FReepers who've watched missiles launches and who've posted to the threads, say outright it was a missile. You can read the posts on the many threads over the past three weeks -- I have).

One of the most prolific pushers of the airline contrail nonsense, Rokke, had gone for 21 months on Free Republic without making one, solitary post -- his most recent was on Feb. 13, 2009.

Then on Nov. 11, 2010, two days after CBS shows the Leyvas footage, he went into overdrive.

Since then, to date, he has made 52 posts to Free Republic, every one of them on the missile threads. Quite a lot of them have all kinds of pictures and graphs and arrows and calculations and comparison shots of all kinds of hooptidoodle, ANYTHING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE from the video by Gil Leyvas that started it all.

That's right. One of the noisiest and most desperate proponents of the airline contrail hoax ... Silence for nearly two years ... and then all the sudden more than 50 posts on one subject in three weeks.

Smells like a guy with an agenda, to me.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

And since it came right up from the open ocean, miles from the nearest land, the likeliest source was a sub

I meant to add that the distance from L.A. was estimated to be 35 miles, which, coincidentally, is the exact same distance the horizon is when one is at sea-level.