Posted on 11/15/2010 3:06:08 PM PST by TCH
Idiocy has its claws in the TEA Party movement!
I am a founding member of the TEA Party Patriots of SW Nebraska. I sure as hell do not approve of the recently released letter demanding that Republicans jettison "social issues!" Our group was never informed and had no input!
Ditch "social issues," that we may better focus on the economic issues? Is that so? I believe it is time for a TEA Party reality check.
You cannot promote prosperity at the expense of morality. One requires the other. God is not mocked. The Constitution may be document of incredible insight, but it is not supreme over God’s Law. Freedom requires responsible behavior... Abortion and sodomy do not qualify, and ignoring the consequences of both will result in our downfall.
Everything that affects society is a "social issue," but we are allowing ourselves to be deceived by the utopian nonsense that is Libertarianism. We do so at our peril. These individuals use the term "Social issues." WRONG! We are arguing moral and ethical issues. So what these individuals are actually stating is they want a government bereft of ethics and morality. GIVE US BREAD AND CIRCUSES!
From the beginning I stated my group is not going to be hijacked by Libertarians, and for good reason: Only fools jettison morality and ethics from government. Libertarians claim to “restore” the Constitution, while they march lock-step with the tenets of the Communist Manifesto. Libertarianism is nothing less than veiled Utopianism—a deadly poison to any ordered society, because its precepts mock God’s Law. While the Libertarian advocates the Constitution, he simultaneously disconnects its FIRST CAUSE, as stated in the Declaration of Independence: All men are endowed by THEIR CREATOR with an inalienable RIGHT TO LIFE and LIBERTY. There we have the crux of the issue. Those who established our government did so with the understanding that we are “created beings,” owing our life and liberty to a Creator, and therefore our first allegiance resulting from those created gifts must belong to the higher power. That fact explicitly requires a recognition of and obedience to transcendent moral laws established by that same Creator. However, according to the submitted “letter” endorsed by our State TEA Party leader, we should now acquiesce not to the Creator, but to men who are double-minded and thus unstable in all their ways! Thinking themselves wise they became as fools!
Notice the top signatory to this letter of “demands:” GOProud ... PROUD homosexuals of the GOP! Nice company we keep for the sake of "filthy lucre." Sacrificing moral principles under the pretense of "fiscal conservatism" will not save this country... I doubt any man of sound reason would believe in such nonsense. Abortion and homosexuality cost money: increased healthcare costs, increased insurance premiums, lost tax base, etc.
If a man fails to understand the most basic right, life, then why should we trust him with power? Such a man will give his assent to anything. What this “letter” actually states is that we want our liberty, but we do not want to pay for the consequences of its abuse! That is not liberty, it is licentiousness.
Perhaps the signatories to this "compact" do not grasp the concept that “social” issues COST THE TAXPAYER MONEY! Who pays for abortion? How many abortions are covered by insurance or government welfare? How many more may we expect via Obamacare? Consider the loss of national productivity that must be attributed to the increase in abortions--We are barely maintaining replacement population (mostly through illegal immigration); so what happens when all the baby boomers retire, and America’s workforce (ages 17-60) is reduced to a mere 14 percent of the population? Thank you to all those who demand we not consider abortion a front and center issue! They are contributing to the destruction of our culture and the downfall of our country! Oh, but wait.... they will decrease the size of government in the process! Blind fools!
Now let us turn the focus on the costs of homosexual perversion. Yes, there is a defined “normalcy” in sexuality... homosexual acts do not fall within that scope. All sexual perversion causes disease, but the homosexual variety produces a plethora of fatal infections, and not just those associated with AIDS. A great many more “nasty things” inhabit the bodies of homosexuals and lesbians as a direct result of their perverted sexual practices. If we ignore “social issues, ” then how will the unobstructed rise of these diseases impact medical care and insurance costs for those who live within the bounds of normal sexual behavior--particularly with the advent of socialized medicine--and the insistence that “pre-existing conditions” not be excluded from coverage or considered a dis-qualifier?
Libertarianism is like the Siren who attempts to convince the sailor there are no jagged rocks beneath those calm waters... A nation cannot separate social from fiscal issues... one entails the other. You cannot separate morality from government... one requires the other. Amoral or immoral men cannot govern themselves:
In 'A Letter to a Member of the National Assembly,' 1791, Edmund Burke wrote: “What is liberty without wisdom and without virtue? It is the greatest of all possible evils; for it is folly, vice, and madness, without restraint. Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites; in proportion as they are disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good in preference to the flattery of knaves.”
Edmund Burke continued: “Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”
Libertarians argue a "non-interference" perspective; but their rationale is a straw man argument. The issue is not about those who have an inclination to same-sex attraction. However unfortunate for them, it is a personal struggle, through which they must affect a strong combat for reasons of physiological, psychological and sociological necessity.
The issue is the propagation of an intrinsically destructive doctrine that opposes life and the common good. Even if we put aside the moral imperative—which act would constitute the greatest of errors, since the moral code is a product of sound reason and marks the boundaries of that singularly most quoted imperative “love thy neighbor”—it will still be proven that anything directed against its own natural purpose is contrary to right reason.
The two sexes are specifically designed so their physiological, biological and psychological aspects are mutually beneficial. Male and female complement one another, in all regards, to the natural end that their anatomy was specifically designed to affect: procreation of the species. This natural end logically supposes an intended purpose consistent with intelligent design.
Homosexual behavior is absolute in its destruction of that purpose. Understanding that “a house divided against itself cannot stand,” it is reasonable to state that Nature does not work against itself. By logical extension, and since all things must have a first cause, then neither would an intelligent supreme being create an natural order having as a component of its initial design a species directed to its own demise.
Reason and logic dictate that whenever any object is directed against its own natural purpose, then that object is intrinsically disordered. Since the design of male and female reproductive anatomy gives irrefutable evidence to its intended purpose, it is an attack on reason to presume that biology would be so rebellious of its own preservation as to willingly submit to an ends contrary to that which affords its greatest chance of success.
Homosexual behavior acts in direct opposition to the propagation of life, both directly in its physical acts, and psychologically by subverting the natural order of creation. It is anti-life, just as much as is abortion. Being unable to sustain itself through procreation, it may increase its numbers only by seduction--a point that the doctrine of libertarian thought purposely ignores, and which has a direct impact on society at every measurable level.
The argument that same-sex attraction is a product of genetic accident is easily refuted; for if such a gene were existent for any period of time, it would soon by its own actions render itself extinct, as do most unnatural mutations. Thus it is clear that the homosexual inclination is a product of external environmental stimulus and internal psychological impediments (intrinsically disordered desire). This distinction is important for reason that the state-enforced tolerance of intrinsically disordered behaviors (perversions) aligns perfectly with the anti-life philosophy that has imposed a literal death grip upon our culture. The rationale supporting this statement is the summation of those disorders, while still generally opposed, continue to advance, continue to realize great reinforcement through subversive indoctrination of the young, and thus continue to undermine true liberty with an emboldened narcissistic flattery that pretends itself tolerance.
Thus the libertarian argument of “non-interference” where willing parties engage in private acts not harmful to a non-interested party is a patently absurd and false doctrine. Such philosophy entails the shackling of human society in a suicide pact that is contrary to the development of a resilient culture, is destructive of a sustainable and prosperous economy, and exists in direct opposition to right reason and the moral imperatives derived through the Natural Law.
Ask the signers of this piece of libertarian trash if they are willing to sell their soul for 30 pieces of silver. If they are inclined to betray the common good, for the sake of "limited government and reduced taxes," then let them do so of their own accord; they do not speak for me, and I doubt they speak for most of the THINKING individuals within the TEA Party movement, whom understand the negative consequences connected with duplicity of mind on ethical and moral issues. I do not make deals with the Devil, and neither should the TEA Party do so in my name.
Can you point to a post where metmon said we have to believe in God the way [metmon does]? If not, your above is a strawman argument.
” Can you believe this? LOL!!! “
Yes we can!!
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Thank you for your kind words.
You can’t legislate morality. The liberals try to all the time and how does that work for them? Affirmative action quotas, Anti- gun laws, School bussing, Anti- bullying legislation. How has all this worked? Has racism stopped, are gun crimes down, do black children learn better, and I am sure the same success rate on bullying. The only one that works is political correctness. Why? It is taught, the person who steps out of line gets punished for not being politically correct.
Do you think the Tea Party can do a better job than the liberals on the legislative front?
We had one small victory and if you look at the numbers some were pretty close. We are getting ahead of ourselves. The revolutionary war was 8 long years. The Constitution was not adopted after Concord, it was not until 1787. We must pick our battles and teach morality, not try to pass laws.
Right now the best thing we can do is continue in the fight for smaller government. Expel from the Tea Party those that break the sacred trust we put in them when elected. Teach by example, don’t game the system, don’t compromise our core beliefs, and don’t reward bad behavior like Harlem did for Charlie.
The founding fathers didn’t insist you believe in the Christian ethic but they wanted everyone to know that is how they will run this country.
LOL!!!
Here you go: I am a Christian. Many of you are a bunch of Bible- thumping jackasses who play right into the role the media uses to marginalize you though.
If you think the Gubmint is where morality should be defined, well you are not a real patriot in my book. You are just loudmouths who are trying to impose your religious beliefs on others. Exactly the reason the first Europeans left Europe for the new world.
That should get me zotted.
You are dealing with a bunch of zealots on this thread. Good luck.
Nonsense, laws against murder, rape, robbery, arson, etc. are all about morality.
Laws about morality are the only thing that protects us from anarchy.
Do you think the Tea Party can do a better job than the liberals on the legislative front?
Not if they try to silence or marginalize conservatives.
We must pick our battles and teach morality, not try to pass laws.
52 MILLION Americans have been murdered in the past 38 years and one more is murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS, do you have a threshold in mind where you would be willing to fight the battle?
Right now the best thing we can do is continue in the fight for smaller government.
It's time that libertarians learned that limited government does not necessarily mean small government. Government has a function and it is to defend our rights.
Why are you asking me to delete your account? I would happily do it if I could, but I can't.
I can’t believe after 15 years i don’t want to be here anymore.
Hmmm...FR was started in 1997, you joined in 2001...math obviously isn't your strong suit.
You can’t legislate morality.
” Nonsense, laws against murder, rape, robbery, arson, etc. are all about morality. “
Even prostitution is illegal. Drunkenness in public, and drugs are illegal. Almost everything that cheapens society is illegal, except the worst one, abortion.
Good grief. You see the 3 in my tagline. You don’t think I had previous logins? Lol. fr was opened on to the public in 97. So if it makes you happy , 13 .5 years. You’re doing a greaat job of running off allies you jackass.
Signups began in 97. FR was here in 96.
We need to abolish Obamacare, cut all kinds of programs and entitlements out of the budget and send lots of government employees out to the private sector to work.
IMO these are not religious goals.
If our fiscal house was in order we could risk losing majorities to abolish abortion and other things.
I don't know who gave them the right to speak for all Tea Party People in that letter, but IMO we have primary fiscal issues, not religious ones at this time.
I saw it and, based on your level of maturity and intellectual ability, I just assumed that it represented the last grade you successfully completed in school.
You don’t think I had previous logins?
I know that Jim frowns upon multiple logins, but I'm not at all surprised that you are a retread.
What were some of your other names?
lolol. You picked the wrong time to interject your liberal ideas into this thread, FRiend.
lolololol
” What libertarians usually mean by “don’t legislate morality” is that they don’t want anyone to take away their drugs, prostitutes, pornography and abortion. “
Correct, and we have more than a few at FR who want us to lay off their drug use. And, IIRC, NAMBLA doesn’t believe in legislating morality either.
I was just speaking the truth. :)
Non sequitur
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