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Virginia 4th-grade textbook criticized over claims on black Confederate soldiers
The Washington Post ^ | 20 Oct 2010 | Kevin Sieff

Posted on 10/20/2010 8:19:20 AM PDT by Palter

A textbook distributed to Virginia fourth-graders says that thousands of African Americans fought for the South during the Civil War -- a claim rejected by most historians but often made by groups seeking to play down slavery's role as a cause of the conflict.

The passage appears in "Our Virginia: Past and Present," which was distributed in the state's public elementary schools for the first time last month. The author, Joy Masoff, who is not a trained historian but has written several books, said she found the information about black Confederate soldiers primarily through Internet research, which turned up work by members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

Scholars are nearly unanimous in calling these accounts of black Confederate soldiers a misrepresentation of history. Virginia education officials, after being told by The Washington Post of the issues related to the textbook, said that the vetting of the book was flawed and that they will contact school districts across the state to caution them against teaching the passage.

"Just because a book is approved doesn't mean the Department of Education endorses every sentence," said spokesman Charles Pyle. He also called the book's assertion about black Confederate soldiers "outside mainstream Civil War scholarship."

Masoff defended her work. "As controversial as it is, I stand by what I write," she said. "I am a fairly respected writer."

The issues first came to light after College of William & Mary historian Carol Sheriff opened her daughter's copy of "Our Virginia" and saw the reference to black Confederate soldiers.

"It's disconcerting that the next generation is being taught history based on an unfounded claim instead of accepted scholarship," Sheriff said. "It concerns me not just as a professional historian but as a parent."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: black; blackconfederates; civilwar; confederate; dixie; godsgravesglyphs; history; historyeducation; soldiers; virginia
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To: central_va

Is reply 79 direct enough for you?


81 posted on 10/20/2010 9:56:21 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Oh. Well, in brief.....

On my dad’s side, people ran to W Va. The guy there was in the cavalry. They lost everything. Where they went to was ignored as a part of the post-CW economy. Small farmers, small businessmen, miners, facotry workers came out of that line of the family mostly, and they turned into hill folk, having been property owners previously.

On my mom’s side, the guy fought for the North. That side of the family were and continued to become professionals. They owned intellectual and political capital. It shows all through the ancestry and my own upbringing.

If you look at the Mason-Dixon line, you’ll see the disparity arising from which parts of what states got developed after CW I. My lineage illustrates perfectly how that split took human form.

The basis for industrialization posed a threat to the South, yes, but who owned the transport and supply lines was the key. We all know the rest, but the human cost of that has a lineage, too, like that in my own family. One side was hoy toy and the other not. The hoy toy side was and is Northern.


82 posted on 10/20/2010 9:57:54 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Palter
"It's disconcerting that the next generation is being taught history based on an unfounded claim instead of accepted scholarship," Sheriff said

Yeah, that's exactly how I feel about evolution being taught in our schools.

83 posted on 10/20/2010 9:58:19 AM PDT by Hoodat ( .For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.d)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Yes, but confederate army officers did not wear their rank on shoulder patches.

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84 posted on 10/20/2010 9:59:54 AM PDT by ontap
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I forgot to mention that I still have Southern relatives. I think of them as colonizers mostly, as they’re the hoy toy types.


85 posted on 10/20/2010 10:00:23 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
What is undeniable is that none served legally as combat soldiers until March of 1865.

We have crossed paths on this subject many times. I think it fair to say that you would feel that all CSA soldiers were "illegal" since the war itself, in the mind of many, was an act of treason.

86 posted on 10/20/2010 10:01:48 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Current count of friends/family who have abandoned Obama: 11)
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To: Michael.SF.
So then soldiers in WWII or any other war who served in similar functions are to be considered on a lower rung of honor then those who fought in combat?

Soldiers win WWII or any other war who filled those roles were, at the end of the day, soldiers. Enlisted as such, treated as such, and paid as such. Blacks who filled these roles for the rebel army had no legal status and were not considered soldiers at all. Not until 1863, when blacks were authorized to be enlisted as musicians, or 1864, when blacks were authorized to be enlisted as laborers working on fortifications and military construction, did they achieve any official standing. And, of course, March 1865 when they were finally authorized as combat soldiers.

87 posted on 10/20/2010 10:02:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Michael.SF.
We have crossed paths on this subject many times. I think it fair to say that you would feel that all CSA soldiers were "illegal" since the war itself, in the mind of many, was an act of treason.

True. But strictly from the confederate viewpoint, blacks did not serve legally as combat soldiers until March of 1865.

88 posted on 10/20/2010 10:05:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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I should mention, too, that while there are those who contend that “The South actually won the war” (I had one of those as a prof), the actual economic development of the South and its people was simply raided and cut off like a huge piece of granite after CW I in the Reconstruction. We know what happened there. It was pure revenge. Against all comers.

And that I blame on federalism. As far as I am concerned, the Statists won.


89 posted on 10/20/2010 10:06:09 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: ASOC

“Why is this still an issue? Historical fact is just that - historical facts.”

Because the true socialist progressive agenda is carefully hidden. Facts just get in the way of the agenda. Perception is everything, fact is inconvenient.


90 posted on 10/20/2010 10:10:31 AM PDT by Gum Shoe (You live to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: combat_boots

You’re talking about post-rebellion. If the war was indeed all about economic control of the U.S. then there should have been something prior to the war indicating that, shouldn’t there? So how was the North imposing economic control over the South or vice-versa?


91 posted on 10/20/2010 10:12:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Palter
By the 1860's, nearly everybody in the South had some African DNA. So, if you apply the old "one drop" rule, nearly everyone in the Confederate Armies was black.

It's just that they didn't all know it, or acknowledge it.

92 posted on 10/20/2010 10:12:35 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Non-Sequitur
Is reply 79 direct enough for you?

What happened to your famous "None of the above" answer? LOL

93 posted on 10/20/2010 10:23:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I look at as part of the Rebellion, not post. I am thinking of the development of canals & the rail lines, roads and regional cities.

My thoughts point to the cotton gin and the stern wheeler, along with the development of the Erie Canal and subsequent rail (and paved) roads, which follow them. Also, I think of the tit for tat of the Compromise of 1850 as just one more example of the back & forth in American politics that continues to this day. People were fed up with

This war was and is about who gets to make money off goods and how much they get to make. I think that included sources of cheap labor. I think Northerners wanted and encouraged the thought that freed slaves would be willing, cheap labor for canal and rail lines. To call slaves ‘free’ was just lip service.

My opinion anyway.


94 posted on 10/20/2010 10:24:46 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Blacks who filled these roles for the rebel army."

We are getting off track of the original contention of the article, which was they wanted the section in the text regarding black CSA soldiers removed because they contend it is false.

It is not "false" per se, but rather makes what may be a contentious claim as to the number.

The statement: "African Americans served in uniform on the side of the CSA."

Is a true statement, as you have now acknowledged.

95 posted on 10/20/2010 10:27:52 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (Current count of friends/family who have abandoned Obama: 11)
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To: central_va
What happened to your famous "None of the above" answer? LOL

When given nothing but asinine selections to choose from then I'll take 'None of the above' every time. That was not the situation in this particular case.

96 posted on 10/20/2010 10:34:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: Michael.SF.
We are getting off track of the original contention of the article, which was they wanted the section in the text regarding black CSA soldiers removed because they contend it is false.

True.

It is not "false" per se, but rather makes what may be a contentious claim as to the number.

I would agree with that as well.

The statement: "African Americans served in uniform on the side of the CSA." Is a true statement, as you have now acknowledged.

It is, and I acknowledge it.

97 posted on 10/20/2010 10:36:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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To: carton253

Who are the usual subjects?


98 posted on 10/20/2010 10:39:44 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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To: kalee

Excellent articles. Thank you!


99 posted on 10/20/2010 10:40:14 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: rockrr
Who are the usual subjects?

Who do you think? Want to predict what the answer would be if either of us asked to subscribe to his e-zine?

100 posted on 10/20/2010 10:54:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Hey mo-joe! Here's another one for your collection.)
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