Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

John Williams Warns Of "Severe And Violent Sell-Off In Stocks"
ZeroHedge ^ | 10/15/10 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 10/15/2010 9:54:44 PM PDT by FromLori

John Williams utters his most ruthless words of condemnation not only toward the Fed, but to everyone who is stupid enough to be chasing returns in the face of what is a hyperinflationary collaspe.

Euphoric Inflation Insanity. Buying U.S. stocks because the Fed says it will proactively debase the U.S. dollar is like sitting on the beach in order to get a great view of an incoming tsunami. Any pleasure so derived should be short-lived, when the terror of underlying reality quickly takes hold.

If one were to view movement in the price of gold as a surrogate for anticipated inflation, for example, the issues begin to come into focus. Consider that last night's (October 14th) respective S&P 500, Dow Jones Industrial Average and NASDAQ Composite closing levels were up by 7.5%, 10.8%, 12.1% from a year ago, but the price of gold was up by 29.6% in the same period. Relative to gold, which tends to hold its purchasing power over time -- albeit sometimes in an anticipatory manner -- the S&P 500, Dow Jones Industrial Average and NASDAQ Composite have declined respectively by 22.1%, 18.8% and 17.5% year-to-year. This is against the prospective inflation environment being discounted by the gold market.

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dollar; federalreserve; inflation; shadowstat; stocks; zerohedge
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-70 next last

IF things ever went to hell in a handbasket, your gold is going to be worthless than a bag of nickels or whatever the agreed to currency becomes. Or the Fed will just confiscate it like they did in the 30’s. It’s not going to the gold bugs handing out little bags of gold to each other for services and goods. This is a mania and you are going to get burned. Badly.


41 posted on 10/16/2010 1:18:26 AM PDT by kinghorse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: FromLori
Sorry but they're monetizing the debt, not reporting M6 and everyone's still willing to sell to us. If you can find a cleaner 'big' economy to live and work in with a reasonable standard of living have at it. Invest in their market then.

After 50 years the Fed figured there's no need to be the cleanest and biggest financier in the world, just the biggest since there's no other game in town which comes close.

Investing in the market is the practical thing to do to stay ahead of inflation from QE. Yes, gold works too, as does real estate, bullets, cigarettes, alcohol, etc. In fact I saw someone coming out of Sams Club yesterday with a flatcar full of cigarette cartons. However, I find stocks and mutual funds easier to trade.

42 posted on 10/16/2010 1:50:43 AM PDT by Justa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kinghorse

Argentina suffered a sharp one-time currency devaluation in 2002. This is a forerunner of what America will suffer within the next 18 months, albeit for different reasons.

When the peso devalued, people who had gold and other hard assets were fine. Everybody else got wiped out.

This is what happened. It’s recent history. There’s nothing arcane or mysterious about this: Gold maintains its buying power - but people only notice this when the fiat currency gets wiped out.

If the Feds try to confiscate your Gold (and I agree it is likely that they will try) then you have several options.

* Don’t tell them you own any.
* Don’t tell them where it is.
* When they come for it, shoot them in the head.
* Move to Arizona and secede.


43 posted on 10/16/2010 2:01:41 AM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Frantzie

Coal is good.........it’s just difficult to store in quantities. I stored some in back yard, but the neighbors complained.


44 posted on 10/16/2010 2:08:04 AM PDT by glide625
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: blackbart.223

This may be FDR, Nixon and Carter are rolled into one big pile of stink. Only a handful of people are old enough to remember FDR.


45 posted on 10/16/2010 2:52:41 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: CitizenUSA
There is going to be some very high inflation. The question is, when will it appear? Precious metals costs too much to buy and sell. If you want to protect your assets from inflation, then TIP bonds are the best bet.

Mike

46 posted on 10/16/2010 3:45:38 AM PDT by MichaelP (Democrats are the party of Special Re-education)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: grania

“I’d keep it in FDIC bank CDs, no more than $100,000 each bank. And I’d keep her out of it as long as possible, until interest rates go up. But I’m overly cautious.”

The insurance limit is $250,000, but I tend to agree with the insured-accounts advice. I would keep the CDs very short (no more than a year) and look at credit unions for a slightly-oh so slightly-greater yield. Obama as president adds too much risk to stocks to make them attractive (they may do great, but the risk is just too high). Commodoties are for professionals only. 1% yields are near criminal (in essence, the government is imposing a 100% tax on savers by holding rates down), but plus 1% beats a loss.


47 posted on 10/16/2010 5:05:55 AM PDT by olrtex
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Candor7

Thanks for the ping, Candor7.

For the time being, I’m under water in FAZ (3X short financials) because of the fake market “euphoria.”

A couple of days ago on CNBC, a trader laughingly said something like “an unknown or invisible force is buying stocks to prop the market.” Everybody laughed in acknowledgement.

I believe it’s the feds because Soros and the like sold their stocks and went into gold.

I’m thinking to double up on FAZ because the financials are wilting and the foreclosure problem is mounting with much more foreclosures coming.

I know it’s dangerous but, what the heck.


48 posted on 10/16/2010 5:38:41 AM PDT by melancholy (It ain't Camelot, it's Scam-a-lot!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: FromLori

bump


49 posted on 10/16/2010 5:41:22 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Steelers6
Any commodities are on a tear including food. This has to become inflationary at some point.

Been working on restocking the pantry. I wanted to pick-up some ground meat the other day. It was nearly $5 per Lb. I didn't buy and thought...been a while since I've needed it...when did those prices jump like that? Lots of stuff is being reduced in size one serving at a time. Inflation is already here, it is just hidden in the packaging.

50 posted on 10/16/2010 5:46:32 AM PDT by EBH (We have lost our heritage of "making money.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: FromLori
From last month....

The ONLY Reason Stocks Have Rallied This Month

51 posted on 10/16/2010 5:47:41 AM PDT by mewzilla (Still voteless in NY-29. Over 400 roll call votes missed and counting...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: coloradan
Buy gold. And silver. And lead. And copper. And indium. And yttrium. Come to think of it, buy them all. Except for lutetium, and bromine. But get all the rest. At least a little.

You left out the most precious of all, unobtainium. I have 1 million ounces of it at a reasonable price for those interested.

52 posted on 10/16/2010 6:06:45 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: olrtex
Obama as president adds too much risk to stocks to make them attractive (they may do great, but the risk is just too high).

Up until about five years ago, I used to make a few thousand dollars a year by researching small companies and evaluating information, trends, and ratios pretty well. Then, it got so things that happened seemed to have no connection to what the numbers told me, and good information became hard to come by. Part of it is that it's so tough for small businesses to grow. Another part is there seems to be manipulation where some people must know ahead of time what's going to happen.

I've accumulated some money in a Roth IRA CD, and wouldn't mind taking the interest off it to balance the budget, but it won't balance the budget if interest rates are less than 4%.

It isn't rocket science. There are a lot of young-at-heart, active, over 60 year olds. That interest rate goes to 4% and we'll all pretty much be spending the whole thing, much of it in local stores, movie theaters and restaurants. I suspect Obama's team is too stupid to realize that the low interest rates on savings are part of the problem.

53 posted on 10/16/2010 6:45:09 AM PDT by grania
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: FromLori
Buying U.S. stocks because the Fed says it will proactively debase the U.S. dollar is like sitting on the beach in order to get a great view of an incoming tsunami. Any pleasure so derived should be short-lived, when the terror of underlying reality quickly takes hold.

Great post. Thanks.

54 posted on 10/16/2010 8:27:36 AM PDT by GOPJ ( - - - - - - Your universe: http://primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_universe/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JDoutrider

Thanks had a lot going on the hubby retired but then had to have surgery so he was on crutches, still has a cast on etc. so you know who had to do all the things he normally does me :) and I’m getting old too lol so I haven’t had much time to do other things.


55 posted on 10/16/2010 8:36:50 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: FromLori
The recent gains in the stock market are due to anticipation of a GOP House and perhaps a GOP senate coming to DC next year to put the breaks on Obama’s reckless spending and other inflationary measures. There is some logic to it. Remember that the stock indices are still well below their peaks in ‘07.
56 posted on 10/16/2010 8:44:23 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kinghorse

saw something I have never seen before in a classified ad hear in Texas. A car listed as “for sale” with a price of $11,000 or 9 gold ounce coins. Just odd. Have never seen that.


57 posted on 10/16/2010 9:04:30 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: olrtex; grania
"The insurance limit is $250,000...."

If you have a joint account it is more than the $250,000.

2 Recognize that individual deposits are limited to $250,000.00 per depositor in each FDIC insured bank through December of 2009. This limit includes all checking, savings and Certificate of Deposit (CD) accounts at any one insured bank. For example, if an individual has $10,000.00 in checking, $40,000.00 in savings and a CD of $150,000.00, the total deposits equal $250,000. All the deposits are guaranteed. If two or more individuals hold joint accounts, the limit is $500,000 for each joint holder of the accounts.

FDIC Insured Accounts

58 posted on 10/16/2010 10:01:34 AM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: EBH

Have you considered hunting? I took about 1000 lb. of meat last year. Got 3 deer (two were given to me) and 6 feral hogs.

My maple-mesquite smoke-low fat sausage is a family favorite.

I invested in a good meat grinder and a good grain mill. Now I make my own multi-grain bread flour for about $.50/lb. I like Walton Feed for supplies and buy a pallet at a time to save on shipping.


59 posted on 10/16/2010 10:55:12 AM PDT by darth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: antceecee

Buy Altria (MO), Reynolds America (RAI), Windstream (WIN), BHP Billiton (BHP), Apple (AAPL), and Bristol Myers Squibb (BMY). Good current dividend return (4-5%) with expectations of dividend increases through the years, sound finances for most, some inflation protection, some premier growth with risk.


60 posted on 10/16/2010 3:43:17 PM PDT by GregoryFul (Obama - Jim Jones redux)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-70 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson