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I found the article interesting but was angry at the title. This wasn't a slip. It was a decision. And I doubt Jefferson had ANY trouble breaking free from a monarchy.
1 posted on 07/02/2010 2:43:10 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thanks for pointing that out about it being a choice and not a slip.

The difference between a subject owing allegience to a sovereign, and citizens who are the sovereigns, is enormous. Too bad the majority of Americans are ignorant of that fact.

It was truly a break with the feudalism of Europe.


2 posted on 07/02/2010 2:54:09 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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It has been within the last two years that I posted an article about Jefferson only to have him attacked by several FReepers on a variety of grounds, most of which were along the lines of “he really wasn't all that great”.

Well, he was that great. I hope your thread is given the respect that is Jefferson's due.

3 posted on 07/02/2010 2:54:23 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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“Fenalla France, a research chemist at the Library, said her lab made the discovery last year by using hyperspectral imaging, using a high resolution digital camera that compiles a series of images to highlight layers of a document. Some of those invisible layers - like erased text and even fingerprints - pop into view on a computer screen.”

Pretty soon they will find another magic layer that shows he REALLY wanted a King for life...


4 posted on 07/02/2010 2:55:59 PM PDT by jessduntno (I'm not a racist, you're just saying that because I'm white.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
In an early draft of the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson wrote the word "subjects," when he referred to the American public. He then erased that word and replaced it with "citizens," a term he used frequently throughout the final draft.

At least Jefferson made the right decision. Obama has all this history to go on and he's busily trying to make us all into subjects again.
7 posted on 07/02/2010 3:07:38 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well, Jefferson was that great! As some have clearly stated.

The problem here is revisionists attempting to deconstruct the record, yes during a draft a word was used then changed to the appropriate meaning. The only ones bitching about the fact that some scientifically advanced research shows a word was replaced, it’s not as if he had a plenty of paper and a word processor.

Governor of Virginia
U.S. minister to France
Secretary of state under George Washington,
Vice-president to John Adams
3rd President of the United States from 1801 to 1809
Commissioned Lewis and Clark Expedition
Facilitated Louisiana Purchase

Now, what can we say about the many Leftists, famous Marxists, and Neo-Marxist Kenyan Clown and fraudster?


10 posted on 07/02/2010 3:41:19 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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He then erased that word and replaced it with "citizens," a term he used frequently throughout the final draft.

Article by a peabrain.

The word "citizen" (or citizens) isn't used frequently throughout the final draft of the Declaration. It's used ONCE.

He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.
Up until the time Mr. Jefferson wrote this, the people he was speaking of considered them "subjects." But I guess the Sally Hemings BS sort of died out and those who wish to demean one of the giants among the Framers need to put forward other nonsense.

ML/NJ

13 posted on 07/02/2010 4:25:07 PM PDT by ml/nj
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Wow, typical lib spin. Let’s trash Jefferson.


16 posted on 07/02/2010 4:32:47 PM PDT by Jean S
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21 posted on 07/02/2010 4:45:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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Your combined comments remind of something Hillary Clinton said in her speech after winning the Pennsylvania Dem primary race for president. It got zero play in the media that i remember, but it was an enlightening moment for me in that it gave some insight into how these commie-progressives think.

I don’t remember the exact context(and i admit context is always important... I’ll try to find the video of the speech if I have time later).. but she when mentioning the founding of the country and the vision of the Founding Fathers she said something like, ‘...and while their vision didn’t include all of us...’ etc etc.. In other words she was stating that she believed the Founders vision was inherently flawed. And gives the obvious implication that the country they envisioned and built needed to be ‘changed’.

I always wonder when witnessing the complete lack of common sense and hatred for America the Left expresses, what exactly it is they base there views on. And that moment kind of gave me an idea of where their progressive un-American opinions originate.

It really is stunning to witness so many people prescribe to that kind of thinking despite living in the greatest country ever conceived. As the Great One, Mark Levin, would say, ‘Thats right I said it! The greatest country ever conceived!’

Anyhow I hope you all have a great night. Hopefully together we’ll tame this beast in the next 2-3 election cycles.


24 posted on 07/02/2010 5:26:39 PM PDT by fiftymegaton (God Bless and Protect America)
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I’m sure that the AP’s agenda in reporting this story is to get American citizens used to being subjects again, this time of Emperor Bozo the Usurper and his courtiers in the sycophantic news media.


29 posted on 07/02/2010 7:30:43 PM PDT by Colonel Blimp
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To: DJ MacWoW
I was there. He originally scribed “subverts”. Hamilton blew a gasket so he changed it to “citizens”.
33 posted on 07/02/2010 8:51:36 PM PDT by 3boysdad (Intellectualism is the new stupid!)
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The article might have said more accurately that Jefferson had trouble breaking free from the language or terminology of monarchial rule. Jefferson and all the Founders were raised as British subjects. Frenchmen of the time were subjects. The concept of citizens as a free, self-governing people was never before experienced.


37 posted on 07/02/2010 11:42:00 PM PDT by EDINVA
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Well, you know about those "subjects" in small towns.
They get "bitter" and cling to guns and religion.
Next thing you know, they think they have God-given rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

43 posted on 07/03/2010 6:05:10 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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Agreed. The writer needs some schooling.

It's not like Jefferson was working from any precedent in human history. Sheesh.

44 posted on 07/03/2010 6:49:47 AM PDT by GVnana
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It was a decision.

Exactly. Have the article's authors never edited/revised their writing, changing word choice to reflect a more accurate description? Never mind that the American Revolution was, uh, revolutionary. Today's journalists are a sad commentary on our society.

47 posted on 07/03/2010 7:09:39 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The premise of the headline is idiotic.

These men were forming a more perfect union and they were going to struggle over terms and their definitions, as well, ensuring the wording was exact enough to apply to all men, so as to define what a freeman is.

Mistake? Hell I do it all day long and make judgment calls about the wording in letters and proposals.

Oh well, armchair quarterbacks, looking back some 200 years must really possess superior intelligence of divination.

Hey I used a big word!


50 posted on 07/03/2010 7:51:27 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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Well, Mr. Jefferson certainly would have understood and been able to properly identify the motives of the cast of characters who now identify themselves as "progressives." He and the other Founders of American liberty would see them as oppressors of "the People's" Creator-endowed rights.

From Thomas Jefferson:

"May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all), the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. . . . All eyes are opened or opening to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few, booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others; for ourselves, let the annual return of this day forever refresh our recollection of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them." - Thomas Jefferson to Roger C. Weightman, 24 June 1826, Ford, Vol. 10, 390-392

Today, a "favored few," "booted and spurred," and steeped in an ideology that is foreign to liberty, have seized temporary power in Washington, D. C. They must be reminded that "We, the People's" Constitution limits their power to ride, rough shod, over the Creator-endowed rights of American citizens.

May we "refresh our recollection" of the Founders' ideas and give "undiminished devotion to them" on this Fourth of July!

66 posted on 07/04/2010 7:52:40 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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