Posted on 05/12/2010 5:27:45 PM PDT by marktwain
Posted: Sat May 8th, 2010 12:31 pm Quote Reply I had some shopping to do today and wanted to price out meterials for a tile job at home. Went to walmart, farm and fleet, and target with no problems and not even any weird looks really. Then I headed over to menards. I was in for awhile and covered pretty much the whole store getting prices. I talked to a couple workers without incident and then stopped and looked through a tile book. I was just headin for the door when a guy from "menards loss prevention" comes up to me half out of breath and lookin like he really did not want to approach me comes up. He mumbles something about it being against policy to carry in the store. I responded that it was not posted at the door and needs to be if that is their policy. He then says I need to removed it from the store for "the comfort of our customers". I say ok and start heading for the door. He asks why I am carrying and I simply respond that the constitution of the wi and the us assure me the right to carry and that wi requires open carry by law if exercizing carry. He asks if I'm law enforcement and I respond with no, and that was about the end of it. He followed me out the door and thanked me for being cooperative as if i t was unnexpected that I would be. I heard something about "it's not illegal" or something to that nature from someone as I was walking but really was't wanting to get stuck in a debate so kept on my way.
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Wisconsin Carry, Inc. Chairman:
"I just got off the phone with Bill Worley, the assistant store manager at Menards in Janesville.
The staff at the Janesville store was unaware Open-Carry was legal in Wisconsin.
Menards DOES NOT have a policy against open-carry by law-abiding citizens so long a they are not behaving otherwise inappropriately and abiding within the law.
Mr. Worley advised me that kawisixer01 was doing nothing wrong and behaving completely appropriately.
The store management called Janesville police and Janesville police verified for the store management that Open-carry is LEGAL.
Mr. Worley advised me that we are welcome to carry in their store in the future (of course respecting all laws and behaving appropriately)
Menards is a Wisconsin based corporation and I'm happy to say that we are welcome to continue to patronize their store. Kawisixer, you are welcome to open-carry when you shop at Menards in Janesville in the future.
Carry On"
On 11 May, 2010, Judge Adlelman issues a summary judgement which says in part:
No reasonable person would dispute that walking into a retail store openly carrying a firearm is highly disruptive conduct which is virtually certain to create a disturbance. This is so because when employees and shoppers in retail stores see a person carrying a lethal weapon, they are likely to be frightened and possibly even panicky. many employees and shoppers are likely to think that the person with the gun is either deranged or about to commit a felony or both. Further, it is almost certain that someone will call the police. And when police respond to a man with a gun call, they have no idea what the armed individuals intentions are. The volatility in such a situation could easily lead to someone being seriously injured or killed.
Here is the link to the freerepublic posting:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2511593/posts
There is quite a bit of detail on this thread at opencarry.org.
Here is a live link for the previous story about Judge Aldeman’s ruling:
Ping...
actually, I believe Adleman is correct...Although I escaped Wisconstan a dozen years ago, I know the name...
“Addled-woman” seems more appropriate based on her statements.
I can understand a small business being uneasy. If I owned a business and saw a person carrying a weapons, even holstered, in my establishment I would be very nervous.
It is a question of liability. In the small town I used to live in a businessman was in the bank depositing the day’s till and accidentally dropped his gun. It went off, shooting him in the leg. The resulting hospital bills bankrupted his business.
After that incident the bank’s policy was no guns in the the bank, period. They didn’t want to be sued if some bystander was injured or killed in a similiar accident.
Many retail employees confuse employee policy with things the customer can and can't do.
But if someone walks in with a holstered firearm, I wouldn't be.
Anyone who walks in could be carrying a concealed firearm - in fact, someone who robs a store using a firearm usually initiates in one of two ways: (1) they walk in with a drawn firearm and get right to it (crackhead) or (2) they walk in with a concealed firearm and wait for their opportunity (seasoned stick up artist).
I haven't heard of, or seen any surveillance cam footage of, someone walking into a store with an undrawn, visibly holstered weapon and then proceeding to stick the store up.
Then pass ‘Concealed Carry’ you Socialist MORONS!
No sense in getting everyone at the lumber yard all upset. We’ll just keep our weapons concealed, LOL!
I’m not talking about a robbery.
I’m talking about lawsuit liability resulting from an accident involving a firearm. It is a whole different problem for a business owner.
Aw never mind....
It should be the problem of the person carrying carelessly, not the owner of the premises unless the person is an employee, but then that is a measure of the need for tort reform.
unfortunately, Lynn Adleman is not a woman...
honestly, who names their male child Lynn????
Sounds like the good Judge is advocating conceal carry - make it so then ya baffoon.. If everybody is soo scared of armed citizens..
I’d wager 70% of the customers in that store would support and weren’t bothered in the slightest.
Whatta weinie...
I don’t think so. The wording is right out of the Brady play book. They have been trying to de-legitimize guns for 70 years. Now they see it all slipping away...
I see what you mean. There was a guy that pulled up to my bank put his car in neutral, no parking brake and it rolled into another car.
The bank should have made a rule that no one can come to the bank by car or at least shut down their drive up.
My great-grandmother.
Lots of currently feminine names wwere once masculine. Beverly, for instance, and we are losing Taylor.
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