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Auto bill draft would require black boxes, allow NHTSA to issue quick recalls
WaPo ^ | 4/30/10 | Peter Whoriskey

Posted on 04/30/2010 9:20:33 AM PDT by Nachum

All new cars would have to be equipped with "black boxes" that record performance data and federal safety regulators would be granted the authority to order immediate recalls under newly proposed auto-safety legislation being considered by Congress.

The draft of a bill was released Thursday by one of the House committees investigating Toyota's massive recalls for unintended acceleration in its vehicles. Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), chairman of the House commerce committee, and Sen. John D. Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), chair of the Senate commerce committee, have said they intend to collaborate on automobile safety legislation this year.

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KEYWORDS: auto; bill; draft; nhtsa
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21 posted on 04/30/2010 10:21:16 AM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: Nachum

Let’s first install black-box recorders on all our politicians. I think it would be a very good idea to be able to know here they’ve been, who they talked to, and what they said. Especially handy in case one needs to do an immediate recall.


22 posted on 04/30/2010 10:21:55 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: uncommonsense
Just think of all the control that a president could have through the FBI, EPA, or an Executive Order...!

Stroke of the pen, Law of the land. Pretty cool!

23 posted on 04/30/2010 10:48:47 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Nachum

Touch my truck feds.......and die.


24 posted on 04/30/2010 11:01:30 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: uncommonsense
- Ability to disable any of the vehicle's components remotely (cut off your engine if you exceed the national gas ration allowance, or if you travel within 2 miles of a Tea Party protest).

CARB has a plan is place (they just have not implemented it yet) where roadside pollution monitors will be able to identify each vehicle driving by and detect the emissions level.

The plan I read about a few years ago would allow for the State to warn the owners to fix the emissions problem and if not then the roadside monitors would up-link to a central office where a state employee could remotely, via the GPS link, disable the vehicle.

I do not remember the mention of fines but since Kalifornia is broke we all know there would be huge fines involved.

25 posted on 04/30/2010 11:02:25 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Nachum

Just smiling and waiting for the day when a John Edwards-type politician gets busted with a mistress or a hooker because muckracking reporters download black box GPS data from his vehicle....


26 posted on 04/30/2010 11:09:45 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: catman67
The black box lays out the technological groundwork for the taxing of individuals by miles driven.

I guess, but it wouldn't be practical unless you retrofitted all the old vehicles. Much easier to add to the gasoline tax that's already at the pump.

Also, if the “Government” has instant access to your black box, then PDs all over the US can just start interrogating them wholesale to issue speeding citations.

They can already do that with EZ Pass, but they don't. People would go back to using cash in tollbooths if they did, and also, the laws would have to be changed to issue tickets like that.

The automakers would have something to say if new cars were another way to get tickets. So, probably wouldn't happen. But yeah, this is another chance for Big Brother to be watching, just like cell phone tracking, and cameras in public places.

27 posted on 04/30/2010 11:23:55 AM PDT by Dick Holmes
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To: Obadiah

Not good at all. More government control over your every move.”

EXACTLY !!


28 posted on 04/30/2010 11:39:24 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Nachum

I agree it’s more about government control than safety. Even more important is why the Congress is dealing with all these diversions when they still haven’t produced a budget on time for the next fiscal year.


29 posted on 04/30/2010 11:53:32 AM PDT by RLM
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To: Sacajaweau
So, one malfunction will start a recall?? A black box might be nice but it doesn't necessarily mean it will pick up how the flaw occurred. For example, that dude with the runaway car that was videod...How do we know he didn't have his foot on the brake and accelerator (sp?) at the same time...

Brake usage is recorded.

30 posted on 04/30/2010 11:58:14 AM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: A message

Waxman is involved. It has little to do with safety and a lot to do with control. The little totalitarian will give me another reason never to buy a new car.”

Hemmings Motor News is looking better & better.


31 posted on 04/30/2010 11:59:58 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Dick Holmes

They will simply no longer accept cash. Every person will have to use EZ pass or some sort of similar system that can be tracked.


32 posted on 04/30/2010 12:00:35 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: OldMissileer

CARB has a plan is place (they just have not implemented it yet) where roadside pollution monitors will be able to identify each vehicle driving by and detect the emissions level.”

Large cities in Calif already do such monitoring.


33 posted on 04/30/2010 12:01:32 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

I saw a Lada SUV looking thing here today in Sweden. I loved it. I’d love to have one. It was cool as hell. We owe the ruskies for leaking the climate data.


34 posted on 04/30/2010 12:01:45 PM PDT by riri
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To: Nachum
There is already an intelligent highway vehicle initiative that employs 5.8 GHz radio, full time GPS and connectivity to the sensor systems on the car. Integration with roadside units provide "on the fly" warnings of excessive speed for the road conditions and geometry. There are also vehicle-to-vehicle layers to avoid collisions. The networking uses a "WiFi" style networking, but based on IPv6. Some devices have a dual IPv6/IPv6 stack with a 2.4 GHz radio for connectivity to 802.11b/g networks. The GPS is used to provide lane positioning/warning feedback. I was working on a related application with my colleague in VA before he passed away in January.

The 5.8 GHz radio could certainly be employed to track vehicle as they pass a roadside device with network connectivity. A unique IPv6 address matched to the vehicle VIN at the time of manufacture could track the vehicle without a GPS. Simply passing a network connected roadside device could provide a time-stamped "bread crumb" log of the vehicle's movements.

35 posted on 04/30/2010 12:06:48 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: BookaT

I once worked in a job that required me to review and design algorithms for OBDII (On Board Diagnostics II).

There was a serious proposal from CARB (the California Air Resources Board) that we design all of our engine control modules to allow them to be queried by radios / computers located along the roadways.

The idea was that any engine that was malfunctioning in a fashion that might cause emissions standards to be exceeded would “tell” on itself and the owner would receive a summons requiring them to have their vehicle serviced or be fined. They were dead serious about this.

CARB would make all internal combustion engines illegal if they had their way. They are far left environmental nutjobs.

I don’t want any of my vehicles equipped to “tell” on me.


36 posted on 04/30/2010 12:08:16 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: catman67

See my post number 36.


37 posted on 04/30/2010 12:11:22 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: OldMissileer

See my post #36


38 posted on 04/30/2010 12:13:36 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: ColdWater
We know he was "manually" breaking but we don't know if he was "manually" accelerating or if the car was accelerating all by itself....

I believe the company techs couldn't find a malfunction.

39 posted on 04/30/2010 12:17:17 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: Sacajaweau
We know he was "manually" breaking but we don't know if he was "manually" accelerating or if the car was accelerating all by itself.... I believe the company techs couldn't find a malfunction.

I showed my wife what happens when you hold the accelerator down and then hit the brakes. Try it sometime but make sure your passenger is ready. The techs said that there was no enough wear on the brakes to indicate that he had really used them to slow down.

Steps to take if you have a 'stuck' throttle.

1. Hit the brakes

2. Put it in neutral

3. Pull over and turn it off.

40 posted on 04/30/2010 4:06:23 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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