Posted on 04/20/2010 11:26:05 AM PDT by FredDardick
It looks like somebody is going to have to update the Waco Siege page on Wikipedia. Apparently the whitewashed history that former President Bill Clinton would like us to believe regarding the 1993 federal assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, is missing important details regarding his own personal involvement.
In response to Bill Clinton’s highly publicized linking of the Tea Party movement to the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing in an op-ed piece for the New York Times, former Clinton adviser Dick Morris disclosed on Monday that it was Clinton himself, and not Attorney General Janet Reno, as Americans have been led to believe for the past 17 years, who called the shots during the 1993 botched invasion that led to the death of seventy-six people.
(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...
I remember we were talking about some time ago how some of the private pilot licensing functions were now being controlled by government in ways that would prevent private, personal air fields.I don't know how that has played out, but at the time it seemed like over control and a blow to personal freedom. It seemed a rather planned radical change to FAA regulations.
What does this even mean? Is English your first language?
"I don’t consent to your claims on thousands of executed warrants. "
Somehow, I'm not going to lose any sleep over that.
>Funny, the warrant was based on illicit drug use not weapons charges or child abuse. They didn’t even have hearsay evidence of that they made it up out of whole cloth.<
If you say so .........
Attachment D
The following property is concealed:
A quantity of firearms, including but not limited to: an assortment of AR-15 rifles and AK-47 rifles, and parts thereof, along with a quantity of assorted machinegun conversion parts, which, when assembled, would be classified as machineguns, machinerty and implements used or suitable for use in converting semi-automatic weapons to fully automatic and for constructing destructive devices such as pipe bombs, and homemade grenades, this machinery would include, but not limited to metal lathes and milling machines, .50 caliber anti-tank rifle, sten guns, grenade launchers, practice rifle grenades, practice hand grenades, various chemicals, including but not limited to black powder, igniter cord, aluminum metal powder and potassium nitrate, magnesium metal powder, metals in various forms, inert “pineapple” type hand grenades, pipe bombs and parts thereof, and other suitable casings of unknown description which, when assembled, would be classified as destructive devices as those terms are defined in Section 5845 (b), and Section 5845 (f), Chapter 53, Title 26, United States Code, which are not registered with the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, Washington, D.C., as required by law, and documentary and computerized evidence of receipt, ownership and instructions for converting semi-automatic firearms into machineguns, and the construction of improvised explosive weapons, including computer hardware, peripheral equipment and software containing files and directories and the information theron. This is to include any disks, manuals, printouts and other assorted computer equipment.
see #223
Good Grief, your for the government to use its power to use such horrendous force against women and children but its OK cause someone lied to get a warrant....we all know that the government never lies..
It doesn't seem that the lame one on this thread are those that tell you something totally different from your hard held government is never wrong belief..
My daddy use to say never kick a dead horse, the horse doesn't care and you might hurt your foot...Your replies are one dead horse I quit kicking..Have fun holding up the government burning to death a lot of kids.
Its almost like you were one of those participating in the raid the way you try to justify it....sorry for you...
Thanks, I already have. I was trying to see if you knew.
If they had as much as they claim in the warrant, where was it all?
No doubt he had guns. Many guns. Where is the rest? Did it all 'blow up'? Or did Koresh plant it all on top of the concrete bunker the children were hiding in?
You are absolutely correct. I just finished rereading the details of the Warrant on Koresh, and figured that out. Someone else also made a post referring to Weaver's 'modifying' a gun.
Koresh was being accused of modifying semi-autos to complete auto fire. I got them mixed up.
That is what began the investigation in June of '92. It is not what the warrant was based on. It goes against everything ever published on the subject.
Got a link?
Tigereye, this posters ideas are a lost cause...
Old deck hand, making it personal and trying insult another freeper must mean you have run out of viable arguments...
A little googling can save a lot of arguing ...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=waco+search+warrant&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
http://www.justice.gov/05publications/waco/wacoone.html
http://www.jaedworks.com/shoebox/waco.html
Just a question. Wasn’t the barrel Weaver cut off only 1/4 inch too short....He also won his law suit against the government...good for him...
I figured as much ... I’m too easy to get all a-flutter over what people say here ... if they can’t deal with someone like me however will they deal with things in their real life ...
You are smart, thats why your a pilot...I wouldn’t know how to post an article.:O( but I have been mouthy over 5000 times....:O)
The search warrant was for Vernon Wayne Howell (aka David Koresh), AND OTHERS.(very specific, huh?)
You deserve credit for getting the basic facts correct.
The search warrant was to search for Koresh and arrest him, and anyone else necessary, and take all the guns, all the computers, all the children.
Thoughts on Waco: A RemembranceAnother area of shocking violation of civil liberties is that of the alleged attempt by BATF to serve a warrant. The BATF agents have never gotten their story straight on what type of warrant they obtained. Was it a search or arrest warrant? The way this warrant was issued is highly irregular and deserves a special investigation in itself. Ken Maynard, FBI special agent (Ret.) has analyzed BATF agent Davy Aguilera's probable cause affidavit, and says this: “There was not even one fact in the probable cause affidavit by the BATF stating that a violation had or was taking place at Mt. Carmel. There was insufficient evidence to issue a warrant.” Why did BATF agents refuse Koresh's offer for them to come on out and look around? Henry McMahon, owner of Hewitt Arms, confirms this. BATF agents were in his store at the time of the offer.
In the interest of factual information, on both sides of the argument, here is the actual warrant:
http://www.jaedworks.com/shoebox/waco.html
You may be right; I remember it as 1/8 inch. if it’s important to you, you’re connected to the Internet — look it up...
Safer for those not inside the building, anyway.
How much food and water did they have left? How much longer could the Davidians have held out?
I think we agree on this. It was a situation that ended up getting way out of hand, early, and ended badly.
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