Army Calls ‘Birther’ Doc’s Bluff

Military.com ^ | April 9, 2010 | Bryant Jordan

[EveningStar]

It's guts ball time for an Army surgeon who has vowed not to deploy to Afghanistan with his unit unless President Obama provides evidence that he's a "natural born" citizen of the United States.

In response to previously published statements by Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, the Army presented an official letter of counseling that directs him to report to Fort Campbell, Ky., on April 12 to begin deployment preparations with his unit.

[verity]

You appear to be intellectually incapable of distinguishing the difference between two mutually exclusive subjects. Consequently, pursuing this issue with you would be a waste of time.

[bushpilot1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6vvTrvgZ1c

[lucysmom]

Maybe the dental association has standing.

[verity]

Time for a touch of levity:

I NEED help.

Does anyone know how to cancel a bid on eBay?!

I put in a bid for a “Mickey Mouse Outfit” for my grandson and now it seems I’m only 6 minutes away from owning Obama and his entire Cabinet!

[BP2]

I hate to break it to you, but there is no reason to believe Obama wasn’t born in the US with an American mother ...

Bwa-ha-ha!

You still think this is about the birth certificate ...
... and his American mother.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

[Mr Rogers]

Obama’s father didn’t control where he lived, nor his allegiance. Frankly, I’m not at all certain Obama Sr IS Barry’s father!

Obama is a US citizen, born of an American mother on US soil, and raised as an American.

He won election with a comfortable margin of the US popular vote, won the Electoral College, as IS President of the USA. If you think the Supreme Court will overturn an election based on the idea that Obama Sr’s Kenyan citizenship makes his candidacy invalid, you are wrong.

A good legal case can be made that someone born and raised as an American IS a ‘natural born citizen’ IAW the Constitution. The intent was for the person to owe primary allegiance to the USA from birth.

Barry Obama does owe his primary allegiance to the USA. That he despises this country is due to his racist views and his following Rev Wright’s teachings, not because of his birth. It is a sign of how perverted and racist he is that he doesn’t consider himself white, or at least half-white, half-black.

And NO MILITARY COURT is going to rule on the validity of an election for President!

[ConservativeMind]

Hey, Mr. MENSA, how can you believe “Truthers” are both “retarded” and have merit to their Natural Born Citizen argument?

That is what is “retarded.”

[EveningStar]

Is this letter saying that the Army is in charge and Obama is not?

No. According to the Constitution, the President is CIC of the Armed Forces.

[BP2]

Unless they were in the form of a Constitutional Amendment, it would not matter if they did make it to the floor, were voted on, passed and signed by the President. A mere law cannot overide the Constitution, nor define or redefine its terms. Much mischief would ensure if they could.

Those closer to the 1787 Framing recognized this most basic of concepts in the new Republic.

Below is the earliest reference I've ever found in the US Congressional record regarding "natural born citizen," (sans the 1790 Immigration Act) calling for a Constitutional amendment to require EVERY member of Congress to be a "natural born citizen."

Originating from Massachusetts — where coincidentally the first recorded instance of a state legislature to begin using the term "natural born citizen" instead of "natural born subject" occurred in 1784 (following the 1783 Treaty of Paris ending the Revolutionary War) — this proposed 1798 US Amendment clearly shows that Americans in the 18th century recognized a CLEAR distinction between a "citizen" (required for the US Congress) and "natural born citizen" (required for the President):

In order to derive their working definition of "natural born citizen," the Framers would have have access to the little-known 1760 English version of Vattel’s “Law of Nations” (from which the 1797 American translation is taken), referenced by Patriot attorney James Otis of Massachusetts in his 1765 pamphlet “The Rights of the British Colonies Asserted and Proved” .

[pissant]

Where do you find pre-1994 congressional records online? I can only find it going back 1994 on Thomas or GPO.

[pissant]

If Obama is not legit, he cannot give any orders to anyone.

[El Gato]

Met a young lady in the Philippines..she is around 20 years old..born in Negros Oriental..one day was looking at her birth certificate..and was shocked to see in the block Sex was typed male..she is clearly a female..but the person who typed the form made an error. The name is female.

A friend of my parents, the wife of one my Dad's high school buddies and teammates, has the same issue. She didn't find out until she was submitting her BC to get their wedding license. You can imagine THAT caused a bit of stir, back near the end of WW-II. I commented that someone just checked the wrong box. He said "the box is there, but the form was wrong" :) Still, they did get married, and had three daughters, the oldest born around 1946, the twins in '55 or '56. She's now in a rest home that has an Alzheimer's unit. The same one where my Dad went, for 3 weeks before he died. She'd been in assisted living for a few years.

Her name is Gladys, but my Dad always called her "Happy Bottom". She called him Rollie, (his name was Roland), while everyone else, including Mom, called him Snook.

[BP2]

And NO MILITARY COURT is going to rule on the validity of an election for President!

That's perhaps the only correct thing you typed in your Obama-supporting diatribe.
Here you go ... you've earned them:

First of all, it's not about the “validity of an election for President,” rather to have the SCOTUS define “natural born citizen.” It's to answer an UNANSWERED question.

As John W. Guendelsberger — who Barack Obama appointed to the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) in August — said regarding US v. Wong Kim Ark (169 U.S. at 653):

“In particular, the Court noted the Constitution's requirement that the President be a “natural-born citizen,” a condition whose meaning could be derived only by reference to English common law in existence at the time” (1992) – see US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), referencing Minor v. Happersett (1874).

Second of all, to get to the Federal Court system, Lt Col Lakin needs injury to derive legal Standing. And that's what the “MILITARY COURT” will give him ;)

[El Gato]

It says who a citizen at birth under the 14th amendment is, but never says Wong is one

A natural born citizen that is. They only declared him to be a citizen.

[GreyFriar]

I don’t think state birth certificates require the religion of the parents to be listed. My wife and mine for Indiana, my daughters for Maryland have no listing of ‘parents religion’. Thus I don’t think you fixation on “muslim” being on the birth certificate is reasonable.

[El Gato]

Biden would become president.

Perhaps. If the de facto president were ruled ineligible, that would mean a President had never qualified. Under the 12th and 20th amendments, the Vice President is to act as President until a President shall have quallified. Then the House would need to select a President from the 2 highest Presidential electoral vote recipients. That woudl be McCain. Then we'd have to go 'round the circle again to determine if McCain was eligible, as there would be certain to be challenges to that.

[BP2]

Where do you find pre-1994 congressional records online? I can only find it going back 1994 on Thomas or GPO.

Following proper COMSEC guidelines ... check your FReepmail for special links.

When searching for phrases, understand that some older OCR software engines occasionally interpreted “natural born” as “natural bom” regarding both Citizen and Subject.

Also, check records both with and without the hyphen between "natural-born" as different States used both. On the state level, South Carolina has better records of the era, compared to North Carolina (which I believe many were poorly archived). Massachusetts, on the other hand, did an excellent job archiving their records of later-18th Century and before.

And unlike the Obots here who fumble around here with Politijab talking points, there's absolutely no substitute for ACTUALLY reading and UNDERSTANDING the language and phraseology the Framer's used at the end of the 18th century. That's how I finally came to the understanding that Blackstone's "servant to two masters" REALLY refers to "Dual Citizen" in today's vernacular, thus damaging Obama's Eligibility status as a born British Subject.

Just as Justice Scalia did in interpreting "to keep and bear arms" in "DC v. Heller" (2008), the SCOTUS will exhaustively search for the Framer's usage of “natural born Citizen” ...
not some post-Progressive Age interpretation.

[justiceseeker93]

Wonder what prompted the proposal of that constitutional amendmendment by Congressman Foster back in 1798, which would have required all Senators and Representatives to be natural born citizens (unless they were citizens at the founding in 1776). Could there have been Senators or Representatives whose loyalty to the new country was under suspicion? (1798, during the Adams administration, was in a period in which such suspicions were common, and led to the passage of the Alien and Sedition Acts.)

[El Gato]

The members of the court martial board act as jury,

But a very active jury which gets to ask it's own questions, of witnesses. That's pretty clear from the Manual For Courts Martial

[bgill]

Just wanted to thank you for all the work you’ve done on this. Many, many thanks!