Posted on 03/23/2010 10:12:27 PM PDT by Lmo56
Does anyone think it is time to restore some sense of order to the United States ??? I do.
The two-party system has fostered a climate where legislators have become beholden to their party at the expense of those that they represent - their constituents.
The Constitution is a GREAT document, but it is not perfect. And there are some housekeeping chores that are needed to clean-up some deficiencies in the document. After all, it was written over 200 years ago - and the Founding Fathers could never have imagined the mess we are in now.
However, they did leave us with one thing - the Constitutional Convention. It rips the Constitution out of the hands of Congress and places with the States.
See this link:
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200901133312/editorial/virginia-moving-to-a-new-constitutional-convention.html
I did not post it as the title of this thread, as the author is absolutely AGAINST the Constitutional Convention. He does, however, provide information on its current status.
As of this time, there are 22 states that have called for it, 18 that have never voted for it, and 10 who voted - but later rescinded it.
It only takes 34 states to FORCE Congress to call one. Of the 10 states that rescinded, I think that all 10 would be inclined to re-instate [if only to repeal the healthcare law].
That leaves 2 states of the 18 that have never voted for it to be turned. Kentucky, Ohio, and West Virginia look like candidates to me.
What do you all think ???
Pandora’s box is best left alone...
Methinks Lmo56 is a troll. What we need is to enforce the COnstitution we HAVE.
Newt has less chance of getting elected than Sarah. I guess you don’t remember, he left Washington with his tail between his legs. During the impeachment fiasco the libtards dug up some lobbyist honey that was giving him BJs in his office and then the deal with his divorce and other sorts of sexual stuff. I don’t know if any of it was true, but there it is. The Brown SHirt Media will pick right up where they left off with him the minute he starts to gather momentum. Now someone with Newt’s doggedness and determination, but in a skirt...well they may have a little more trouble finding someone who was givning HER BJs in her office, if you get my drift.
It depends on who would be attending. If there are 38 conservative Republican dominated legislatures who would be attending.
A signed written contract to clarify the only issues to be addressed: that health care is a state’s jurisdiction, define NBC, and specify that a fetus is a citizen and entitled to all the priveleges of same, it could solve some problems.
I am sick and tired of 20-30% of the radical people dictating what 70% of the rest of the people have to do.
yes!
If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. The usurpers, clothed with the forms of legal authority, can too often crush the opposition in embryo. The smaller the extent of the territory, the more difficult will it be for the people to form a regular or systematic plan of opposition, and the more easy will it be to defeat their early efforts. Intelligence can be more speedily obtained of their preparations and movements, and the military force in the possession of the usurpers can be more rapidly directed against the part where the opposition has begun. In this situation there must be a peculiar coincidence of circumstances to insure success to the popular resistance. [The Federalist No. 28 - Hamilton - excerpt]ML/NJ
Folks, please take a minute and read Article V. Just read the simple words there and think about where we are right now.
A lot of us agree that SOME changes to the Constitution are needed. Repeal of the 16th and 17th Amendments would be a good start.
OK ... let’s stop there. Repeal the 16th (income tax) and 17th (public election instead of state appointment for Senators) Amendments. How do we do that?
Is Congress going to propose the needed Amendment to repeal? Not likely. Congress loves the income tax. And the public election of Senators gives the states a smaller voice. Nope, they’ll never do it. So what alternative do we have?
If two-thirds of the states call for an amendment to repeal, they can demand a convention of the states to propose that amendment and Congress MUST convene one. And if Congress refuses to provide two-thirds support for the Amendment (which is probable) then the states can AGAIN override them.
Please ... Read Article V in its entirety.
If Congress won’t do what we want — ahem! — then the states can do it themselves.
I mostly agree we should wait until after November, but I’m not sure we can hold out that long. My gut tells me we’re in for a wild, insane, historic summer. The enemies of the Constitution are on the march and all bets are off. From amnesty to assassinations, anything is possible before November. Anything. Good luck.
Okay, well good luck. You are also not suppose to be able to pass a bill through reconciliation and make changes to it but, they did.
The 17th amendment was never fully ratified and fell short by two states and yet you are subject to it everyday.
Anything wrong with the current Constitution? I like it the way it is, though we should be hiring people who understand it and individual rights.
Incredible. You opine that you think the Constitution does not work as it should yet you like it the way it is.
Repeal the 16th, repeal the 17th and watch socialism die. I am serious about that.
And there is a vastly superior system of funding government waiting in the wings:
This is not about anarchy, this is about restoring our proper relation to our government.
Yeah, well i am down with repealing 16 & 17 but, the rest I am fine with.
I would also like to see a very narrow interpretation of the ICC and no more discussions about the general welfare clause.
Dump RICO, Patriot Act and narrow COLA and FISA.
But that’s just me.
I understand your intent but don’t feel it would go the way you think or the way I want.
The people who would be involved in Con-Con would not be serious Patriots, such as our founders.
They would be in it for ego, power and control.
Oh and by the way, I did not Opine the Constitution doesn’t work. Thanks for showing up and telling us all, like we are your children, the way it should be.
I imagine your attitude gets quite a bit of push back.
In terms of fair tax I was for it until I thought about it further and it would be a way for the government to bury their spending, so now I am not for it.
What I am for is making stakeholders out of everyone. Currently some 60% of America has no Federal Tax obligation and many times they get a check back from them(That’s us, the people who actually pay taxes and I pay more than most people make in a year).
If they were stakeholders and paying Fed Tax I might feel a little better this whole thing.
Don't call me a troll ... Have you EVER read my posts concerning "natural born citizen" and why BO is NOT one ??? I cite the REAL text of Calvin's Case, the British Nationality Act of 1730, and also the exceptions noted by Blackstone as to the definition of a natural born subject [ they are not limited to ambassador's children].
I posted about the Constitutional Convention for two reasons:
1. There are some areas of ambiguity in the Constitution that should be addressed. Such as the meaning of "eminent domain".
We here at FR know what the Founding Fathers meant [ the taking of property for the public good - roads, etc.]. But the Souter-led Court stated that private developers could grab the land because they would add more tax revenue to the community [Kelo v. New London]. Or do you want it to remain as is - and possibly have Starbucks knocking at your house tomorrow ???
2. The Constitutional Convention is a tool that the Founding Fathers left us. Just as the veto override was a guard against a tyrannical President, and just as SCOTUS are the guardians of the law, the Constitutional Convention is a guard against a tyrannical government [including SCOTUS]. It can accomplish what Congress, the President, and/or SCOTUS refuse to do - without their interference.
It is expressly difficult to call a Constitutional Convention [34 states have to agree]. And it is even more difficult to pass an amendment [38 states]. It is NOT something to be taken lightly.
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FR is a forum for intellectual discussion and debate - I saw this article and thought that it might be worth putting it out there for discourse.
And I've been getting sh*t from people like you for it ...
And if you think that someone pointing that out to you is treating as a child, then that's YOUR thinking.
So far the thread has from you:
The Constitution doesn't work but you like it that way. Anyone that calls you on it is treating you as a child, oh excuse me, “telling us all, like we are your children”.
That's just your retort to having been be caught with the foolish ‘the Constitution doesn't work, I like it that way’ nonsense.
And as I have become a scholar on the FairTax, and was a Flat Taxer before, I have seen your type of response numerous times and have researched it and found to be a false fear. That's Ok, not everyone will be won over, especially as it takes time to set in, but there are on average 800 new members to AFFT every day and the movement is the largest fastest growing reform movement in the United States.
I am here not to persuade you or anyone else. I am here to broadcast alternatives, to let people know there are other options, legal options, and educate persons that want to know more. When I come across hypocrisy or cowardice, I call that person on it, not so much to generate ill-will but rather to educate readers as to losing attitudes and unsound responses.
Once a seed of education of alternatives is planted, people will remember it when the time is right, they will remember the unfounded groundless objections to the alternatives, they will want to look for leaders that can put an alternative plan into action.
So if you don't like being called on hypocrisy, then I suggest you read your posts before you post them. If you feel you are being treated as a child, then I would suggest you get treatment for your feelings because your feelings belong to you and only you.
But you will be called on hypocrisy and false arguments whether you like it or not, and it's not for your benefit, it's for the benefit of those that will look back and remember the alternatives and the hypocritical responses to the alternatives.
And the hypocrisy is this:
“The Constitution has been subverted and is being subverted, it is being broken. Let it stay that way because the alternative of calling the grassroots to a convention to repair it and make it stronger will only destroy it. I do not trust the grassroots any more than I can trust the members of Congress and their tyrannical leaders. Therefore, I conclude without listening to full arguments that this alternative is unwise because I fear and have fear of uncertainty just as I fear the certainty of the destruction and subversion I see before me”.
And next I suppose you are going to ‘feel’ that the subversion and destruction should be met with conventional methods of elections although information is being broadcast that elections may end in the United States.
What I am trying to broadcast is there is a fallback position, position that frightens Obama and his people, a grassroots convention, which they cannot intimidate or manipulate in a powerful fashion. They are not prepared for it and it would take years for them to position themselves to control its outcome.
As the destruction and subversion continue, at some point those that are conservative and understanding of the freedoms they are losing, will ask what can be done? And they will remember there were those posts about an alternative with links to more information, written by Freepers who legal scholars and who have worked directly for Supreme Court justices, who were spending time to educate and were quick to call out those who appeared smug, complacent and hypocritical.
What is with these officious idiots today?
No idea...the whole world is going mad.
Your mindless diatribe comes close to demonstrating your intellect being as shallow as a dry creek.
Hire guys to enforce the current Constitution and be done with it.
Either that or join your little insurrection group and have a good time.
LOL...I saw it but I’m not going to respond, I’ll watch my dog chase his tail but I’m not going to try and help him catch it.
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