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Why Palin shouldn't run in 2012 ** John Ziegler (The math behind a Palin Victory!)
Daily Caller ^ | 3-10-10 | John Ziegler

Posted on 03/11/2010 12:56:52 PM PST by Joy Angela

Why Palin shouldn’t run in 2012

By John Ziegler   03/10/10 at 12:00 AM

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Last week I made a rare appearance on MSNBC (a network on which I have had numerous “YouTube moments” since the 2008 election, when they became the “Obama Network”) and shared some statements which apparently shocked some of my fellow conservatives.

Since even before the release of my documentary about the media coverage of Obama’s election, I have been described by many commentators (both as a compliment and as a condemnation) as Sarah Palin’s most ardent defender against the never-ending stream of unfair media attacks against her. What seemed to surprise people on both ends of the political spectrum was my assertion on “Morning Joe” that, based on her current path, and barring a literal act of God, there is absolutely no chance that Palin can beat Obama in 2012.

Since the television appearance was barely five minutes long and my view of this important subject is far more nuanced than can possibly be articulated in the microwave world of cable TV “news” (or even a later radio interview I did with host Joe Scarborough about this subject), I wish to fully explain my thinking so that any confusion about where I stand may be as limited as possible.

First, the reason I went on MSNBC is that Joe Scarborough and I have had a running (and sometimes rather pointed) e-mail exchange about his coverage of Sarah Palin which was escalated when his show did a seemingly endless segment on how intellectually deficient she supposedly is. Joe has offered me an open invitation to “debate” that and other issues related to Palin when I am next in New York where his show is broadcast. Since Palin was on the “Tonight Show” last week and because I live in Burbank, we decided the occasion might make for a good opportunity to do a quick “preview” of coming attractions. I also made it clear to him that there was something about Palin that I have wanted to get off my chest for several weeks. This was the issue of what her intent and potential is for the 2012 presidential race.

When I first met Palin at her home in early 2009, after our interview for my documentary we had a rather lengthy conversation, which of course eventually turned to her political future. Unsolicited, I offered my very strong opinion that, thanks to the media’s worship of Obama and their unfair destruction of her, that I thought it would be foolhardy for her to even consider running against him in 2012. My advice at the time was for her to run for Senate in 2014 and run in 2016 for President when presumably there will be no incumbent running and when the narrative about her (thanks to the media’s love of a good “comeback”) would likely be vastly more positive than in 2012. Palin was clearly listening intently but said almost nothing in response. Those who witnessed the conversation said she did not seem to like what she was hearing.

However, after the remarkable success of her book and the incredible decline in Obama’s political popularity, I started to think that, with any luck, Palin could win the Republican nomination and that she would at least have a shot against The One, assuming the economy didn’t significantly improve. But now I am thoroughly convinced that while Obama is somewhat vulnerable (if the economy improves, he wins big, if it stays the same, he wins very small, if it gets worse, he loses big), Sarah Palin has less of a chance to beat him than just about anyone else who is currently considered in contention.

The reasons I have come to this painful conclusion are numerous.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; johnziegler; moresarahfun; palin; palin2012; palinmccain2012; rinolovfest; sarahpalin; tonightshow; ziegler; ziegler4romney
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To: glorgau
He can’t run for another term because of the new birth certificate requirements passed by numerous state legislatures.

You mean they haven't been able to gin one up yet?

101 posted on 03/11/2010 3:54:06 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: glorgau
He can’t run for another term because of the new birth certificate requirements passed by numerous state legislatures.

You mean they haven't been able to gin one up yet?

102 posted on 03/11/2010 3:54:07 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yeah, whatever. I actually think he is looking out for her.


103 posted on 03/11/2010 3:55:34 PM PST by dforest
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To: curiosity
"Name recognition isn't as important as many people think.
Was Clinton widely known when he won the Dem nomination in 1992? Was Kerry in 2006?"

Yes, and yes.

104 posted on 03/11/2010 3:56:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Star Traveler
Then let me spell it out for you.....

She was elected to do a job. She quit. Her quitting put the state in a worse position. Not a good reflection on her judgement or strength.

105 posted on 03/11/2010 3:56:10 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: mkjessup

Wow, I thought that you were smarter than that!


106 posted on 03/11/2010 3:57:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: wtc911; Joy Angela
You were saying ...

She was elected by the people of Alaska to serve four years. She quit after two. Why exactly would those same people elect her to a six year position?

Ummmm... well... because they appreciate the fact that these phoney claims by the liberals were groundless, but weren't going to stop -- and so Palin saved them a lot of money by not putting the state through the expense of having to deal with nonsense from these liberals.

107 posted on 03/11/2010 3:57:27 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: curiosity; Joy Angela
I hope you put on your asbestos suit! The Palin worshipers aren't going to like it.

It looks like your prediction is spot on.

108 posted on 03/11/2010 3:58:36 PM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: Diogenesis

Do you really think that he meant area instead of population/economy when he called Alaska small?


109 posted on 03/11/2010 3:58:47 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Responsibility2nd

To 2 - LOL People like you are exactly why Obama was elected.


110 posted on 03/11/2010 3:59:21 PM PST by jla
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To: wtc911
You were saying ...

She was elected to do a job. She quit. Her quitting put the state in a worse position. Not a good reflection on her judgement or strength.

You're looking at it while standing up-side-down and on your head. The blood is rushing to your head... LOL...

It's the liberals who have made it worse, doncha know. Palin just took the ground out from under them and removed herself from their "misdirection" at her, and now they have turned on themselves and are fouling their own nest...

I wouldn't be "buying into" the liberal's game and argument, if I were you... not unless you are one of those liberals... :-)

111 posted on 03/11/2010 4:00:07 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: wtc911
Exactly how does stating reasons why Palin would lose a presidential election make one a "Palin-hater"? < He's either angry at her for not hiring him, or he's been bought out by Romney.
112 posted on 03/11/2010 4:01:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: wtc911; Diogenesis
Alaska is the fourth least populous state.
113 posted on 03/11/2010 4:01:59 PM PST by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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To: wtc911

Our resident PDS sufferer goes dwannnggg again.


114 posted on 03/11/2010 4:03:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Star Traveler

Your hypothesis flies in the face of all those palinite arguments that she quit leaving the state in the capable hands of her conservative Lt. Governor. If the state is worse off after she quit (as the Alaska freeper wrote) then it is on her for not staying the course.


115 posted on 03/11/2010 4:04:11 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Joy Angela

Sarah has a rite to run for President any darn time she wants to. Why is everyone trying to tell her what to do? It is stupid. Is there anyone else out there that are told not to run? Stop it you freakin morons.


116 posted on 03/11/2010 4:04:25 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: JimRed
You were saying ...

You mean they haven't been able to gin one up yet?
No... the State of Hawaii announced it was "ready to go" last year.... :-)



See it here... first, you go to the main State of Hawaii, Department of Health webpage (as shown below in the first link, then you go to the Archived Press Releases (as shown in the second link) and lastly, you go to the actual press release from the State of Hawaii, Department of Health, in PDF format. You'll notice that all the links are the official website each one tracks to the next one, and to the actual press release itself.

State of Hawaii, Department of Health webpage

State of Hawaii, Department of Health, Archived News Releases

State of Hawaii, Department of Health Press Release, July 27, 2009
[viewable as a PDF file of the official State of Hawaii Press Release]


It is the following information, presented here text (not formatted exactly the same way, but all the same words), on that PDF file, with the official State of Hawaii seal on it...


DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

News Release

LINDA LINGLE
GOVERNOR


CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D.
DIRECTOR
Phone: (808) 586-4410
Fax: (808) 586-4444


For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 -- 09-063

STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

###




The State of Hawaii is now ready to send it out to anyone that requests it legally ... :-)

117 posted on 03/11/2010 4:08:25 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Clyde5445

>He is a loose cannon>

Both of your posts are spot on!
You picked up on what I have heard and seen also.


118 posted on 03/11/2010 4:08:42 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: wtc911; Star Traveler
At the end of the day, I think her leaving office is neutral - those who don't like her will make a big deal out of it, and those who do like her will not care.

The real battle for Palin is to win over independents, and contrary of the author's assertions, both the Tea Party and Fox News are good platforms for doing just that. And Palin having a platform on Fox News gives her a way to get her message out independent of MSM filters and bias.

119 posted on 03/11/2010 4:10:00 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: wtc911
You were saying ...

Your hypothesis flies in the face of all those palinite arguments that she quit leaving the state in the capable hands of her conservative Lt. Governor. If the state is worse off after she quit (as the Alaska freeper wrote) then it is on her for not staying the course.

There was one thing that Palin couldn't do -- and that was "get rid of all the liberals"... doncha know...

There's the problem, you see ... :-)

120 posted on 03/11/2010 4:10:57 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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