Posted on 02/07/2010 10:44:14 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Back in October of 2008, when the subject of Obama’s Constitutional eligibility to be president of the United States was just a blip on the radar screen of public awareness, I wrote an article about how easy it was to find my then -92-year-old mother’s birth certificate.
Frankly, I didn’t think finding my mother’s birth certificate was possible, given the fact that she had been born in a farmhouse in Storrs, CT, along with nine of her 10 siblings, to parents who didn’t speak English. Despairing that she would never be “qualified” to receive the care [in a nursing home} that she desperately needed, I set about to find the document, which I was sure had vanished in the unreliable record-keeping of 1913. When I called the third number, I explained to the woman who answered the phone that I was “asking something impossible.” I gave her my mother’s first name and her father’s last name. Within four minutes, she said, “Here it is!” When I expressed my amazement, the woman said: “That’s nothing…we’re routinely asked to find birth certificates from the 1800s, and we do that all the time!” Total time it took me to find my mother’s 1913, born-in-a-farmhouse birth certificate: 10 minutes!
Obama was born not in 1913, like my mother, but in 1961—or perhaps in 1957, according to his MySpace page, which would make him 52, born supposedly in Hawaii before it became a state in 1959.(continued)
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I think this might be true in Kenya. I don't recall reading that in any US paper.
You're probably right but hardly anyone notices any post whose number is a multiple of 50.
Oh, yes, soooooo confused. BWA-HAHAHAHA. Now, run along back to Mr. Paul.
++++ The reason we cannot let up on this, is that if is not eligible to be President, then all the legislation he signed or will sign becomes invalid. +++++
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Obama has already been more successful at damaging this country than Alinsky, Rev. Wright, William Aeirs, etc could dream in their wildest dreams.
“I’ve heard lots of terms like “Birther” and “after birther”, is there such a thing as a “partial birther”?
Someone who wonders why he won’t just show his long form birth certificate but at the same time thinks Orly and Chief whatever from API and some of the rest are nutballs?”
He won’t show it because Hawaii no longer releases them as Certified COLB’s. either does Washington and California. They haven’t since 1981. This has been said many, many times.
“Obama is simply not eligible to be President. It does not matter where he was born. His Father was from Kenya.”
Where did you get the the idea that both parents have to be citizens in order to be “natural born”?
” It won’t be dead until the questions are answered. Asking the questions is not about political expediency or political attack, it’s just asking Constitutional questions and about understanding the history and character of the man elected to what some consider the most powerful office in the world.
I don’t understand why the issue still exists either when it would be so easy to make it go away. Simple questions...scary answers? “
The questions have already been answered. Not liking the answers that were given does not mean that the questions were not answered.
“Grandma probably tried to put a happy face on the whole situation by calling in the birth to the paper.”
Nope. The Department of Health issued birth announcements to the newspaper. But for legitimate children only. The illegitimate children were not listed.
SOROS
“Why should anyone move on when BO has refused to provide any of the following documents. Is it remotely possible he his hiding something by hiding these documents?”
Why should he? NONE of them are required for running for President. The only one that is even partly accurate is the COLB. And that is ONLY if the state still issues them. If they don’t, as Hawaii doesn’t, then you (or whoever) will have so settle for what the state has decided is needed.
Most of the rest of the documents, including his passport records, are things that the public has been demanding more and more of. To put it bluntly, the public does not have the right to any of those records. None. Zip. Zilch.
The more the public demands items, the more that the candidates break down and give them. I LIKED that Obama didn’t do any of this. It is weak to give in and, IMO, it is bullying to demand them.
The fact is you do not have the right to his medical records (HIPPA), his school records (Federal Law since 1971), the information about his parents, siblings and grandarents (including the vital records of any of them), or his list of law clients (that is considered confidential and privileged).
“Fight the Smears also claimed that he was “native born” — not “natural born”. He’s a “constitutial scholar” (according to the “dinosaur” media ;) ), so he knows that the Constitution requires the President to be “natural born” - not “native born”. Why would his own campaign website say that?”
He is also very well aware of the fact that they mean, legally, the same thing.
Not at all. A US Citizen cannot lose their citizenship as a minor because of the actions of one or both parents. Whether Soetoro adopted him or not, in the US he retained his name and his citizenship. Period.
As for the birth place of Obama. Even the school paper that is so frequently seen, from Indonesia, says that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.
"Barry Soetoro requested and received a Certificate of Loss of Nationality from the U.S. State Department before Indonesia would acknowledge Barry Soetoro as one of its citizens."
You have been misinformed. Since he did not do it as an adult it could not happen. It would not be legal, even in Indonesia. And I've seen no evidence that it happened at all, only speculation.
"HI DoH will create COLBs for noncitizen adoptees. Barack/Barry's ineligibility can only be determined by examining the records for Obama and Soetoro at the State Department."
This is only partially true. Even in Hawaii, when they were issuing BC's for foreign borns, they were not doing it at the time that Obama was born. His eligibility has been confirmed by the state-certified COLB issued to him by the State of Hawaii. The Director of the Department of Health confirmed the fact that Obama was definitely born in Hawaii.
All the suppositions in the world will not negate that fact.
This is not actually a fact. There is nothing in US law that states that a natural born citizens has to have any parents that were also citizens. The only thing that case law shows is that a natural born citizen is someone born on US soil. Period.
Also, there is a lot of documentation that Obama and his mother had a slew of Social Security numbers. Why would that be? Why cannot these facts be brought out and investigated.
No, there is no such documentation. There is documentation that there are other people named Barack Obama in the US. I have seen no proof that ties them to one person.
The reason we cannot let up on this, is that if is not eligible to be President, then all the legislation he signed or will sign becomes invalid.
Do you have any proof that the document (the state-certified COLB)that Obama provided for examination to various fact checking associations is not valid? Proof. Not suspicion, or wishful thinking.
The SS numbers and the fact that he is not natural born—those are facts that can be established and published without even having the birth certificate. The “storyline” about Obama is BS. We need to know the truth.
You already know the truth. He is a natural born citizen and eligible to be President. The problem is that you don't like those facts. I've read the affidavits by the PI's in Orly Taitz motion against Obama. None of them show, say or imply that all of those people are the same ones. Nothing.
Plus, Ms. Taitz apparently still does not know what the Rules of Evidence are, or that you have to provide evidence when you file a lawsuit. A list of similar names simply does not make it to the level of evidence. The majority of her pleadings have no substance of fact in them. They are mostly complaints about the way she feels she has been treated. Plus, she is attempting to force discovery when she has not proven that there is any thing to discover. Proof of the allegations have to be filed with the pleading in order for discovery to be granted. She has done no such thing.
Let me be the first to congratulate you for signing up TODAY to reply to me with this drivel.
You can prove none of your assertions.
The Constitution predates “ United States law” which you state without reference. Natural born has a meaning, and had a meaning to the Founders, which I correctly stated.
As far as the SS numbers go, not only are there numerous SS numbers that CORRESPOND to Barack Obama’s known addresses throughout his life and issued at the times he lived at those addresses, his mother had more than one also. You do your own research, I’m not paid to do it for you.
Also, Barry Soetoro or Barack Obama Jr. HAS NEVER PROVIDED A STATE ISSUED COLB. NEVER.
If your head wasn’t so firmly planted up your Dem rear end, you would know this. The Factcheck COLB has long ago been proven a fraud.
Orly Taitz is not the definitive source for a lot of material. At least she is doing more than you, which is sitting on yer azz, trying to assert things that cannot be proven, or are known to be false.
But hey, thanks for playing.
Well! Gee! If it is so true and he is a natural born citizen then he should immediately release the documents and clear the matter up.
But...My goodness Obama is strange! Instead of immediately providing documents (that many Americans routinely produce for many jobs), Obama chooses to tie up federal court and federal judge time and use taxpayer funded DOJ attorneys to prevent their release.
That Obama is misusing federal courts and DOJ attorneys to prevent proving something so true ( in your opinion) is worthy of impeachment.
While that may be true of Indonesia, it is not true of the US. Since Obama is, and was, a US citizen, neither he or his parents could give up his US citizenship while he was still a minor. It does not matter, in the slightest, what another country decides to do. Obama was a citizen of this country, therefore the US laws apply and Indonesian law does not.
Barack had a window of opportunity to restore his U.S. Citizenship until he turned age 18 and 6 months. Even so, restoration would have required an Oath of Allegiance which would make him a naturalized citizen.
He had no need to restore his citizenship because he never lost it. A minor cannot give up their US citizenship. Period.
I don't know where you are getting your citizenship laws from but you need to change to someone reputable. This person, quite obviously, does not know what they are talking about. Since Obama was a minor, there was no removal of US citizenship. When he came of age he would have had to renounce his citizenship in order to lose it. He did not do that.
You have the way things are done completely turned around.
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