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IS IT TIME YET? Or is America still at the awkward stage? (Claire Wolfe)
RevolutionRadio.org ^ | 10/12/09 | Claire Wolfe

Posted on 12/21/2009 10:05:52 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe

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To: Huck

So you think politicians should act as judges?

Unlike much of the Articles, this bad idea did not make it into the Constitution.

But at least they had no enforcement power. State courts could and did ignore the judgement of the commissioners.

Why bother without the power to enforce?


181 posted on 12/22/2009 10:02:54 AM PST by Jacquerie (Support and defend our Beloved Constitution.)
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To: Huck

After dozens of posts praising the deficient Articles and dumping on the Constitution, you have not explained how the Articles were to be corrected. At least you no longer tell us how great the Swiss confederacy was and is to this day.

I’m still waiting for your citation of Henry saying he “smelt a rat.”


182 posted on 12/22/2009 10:06:07 AM PST by Jacquerie (Support and defend our Beloved Constitution.)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

She’s still writing. From time to time, I get one of her articles on various email distro lists.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/wolfe_index.html


183 posted on 12/22/2009 10:24:23 AM PST by djf (Invest now! Buy paper! Earn interest! That's more paper!! (A little soy sauce and you CAN eat it!)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
I wouldn't pot a bureaucrat.

I'd aim higher, much higher.

184 posted on 12/22/2009 10:52:46 AM PST by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: Noumenon; Lurker

I should also add that, in addition to a regular all-season car kit (tools, flares, first aid, etc) I keep a 5’ 17 pound breaker bar, a set of 24” bolt cutters, a three pound hammer, a snow shovel and a chainsaw. Useful items that will get you past difficult inanimate obstacles if you’re able to stay with your vehicle.

Besides, that chainsaw works great on zombies...


185 posted on 12/22/2009 11:27:21 AM PST by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?")
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To: happygrl

Lordy, I love it when the wimmenfolk talk like that. Just like the missus. That’s a healthy sign for the Republic.


186 posted on 12/22/2009 11:29:20 AM PST by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?")
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To: Huck

We throughly changed in the two generations after the revolution. Originally we were agrarian traders and mercantile traders. Foreign credit, monitary values and tarrifs effected almost all. As always immediate changes in government were sought to solve immediate problems. Judiciary field of influence was very limited in such a world.

In a couple of generations we were a nation of producers, builders and growers for our own consumption except for the tobacco and cotton interests. We became more concerned with internal matters to a certain degree and all political thought focused on sectional interests. Within three generations those sectional interests were so heated that again immediate changes in government were sought for immediate interests.

Destruction on an unknown scale followed. In the two days of the battle of Shilo alone more Americans died than in our entire previus existance.

Two more generations passes and we again had turned inward to economic self_centeredness and passed the 17th amendment crippling the Senate and then adopted a National income tax.

In each age law makers claim statecraft but foist immediate solutions to current concerns.

Would we have survived if the anti-federalists had won? I doubt it. I think the French malignancy would have found fertile soil in a Henry Nation just as it did in the intemperate portion of the mind of Jefferson.

I really apreciate your reflections on our forms of government. I guess walking between the Twin Towers on the morning of 9/11 gives you a perspective on the importance of reflective thought and national analysis.


187 posted on 12/22/2009 11:43:35 AM PST by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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To: Huck

We throughly changed in the two generations after the revolution. Originally we were agrarian traders and mercantile traders. Foreign credit, monitary values and tarrifs effected almost all. As always immediate changes in government were sought to solve immediate problems. Judiciary field of influence was very limited in such a world.

In a couple of generations we were a nation of producers, builders and growers for our own consumption except for the tobacco and cotton interests. We became more concerned with internal matters to a certain degree and all political thought focused on sectional interests. Within three generations those sectional interests were so heated that again immediate changes in government were sought for immediate interests.

Destruction on an unknown scale followed. In the two days of the battle of Shilo alone more Americans died than in our entire previus existance.

Two more generations passes and we again had turned inward to economic self_centeredness and passed the 17th amendment crippling the Senate and then adopted a National income tax.

In each age law makers claim statecraft but foist immediate solutions to current concerns.

Would we have survived if the anti-federalists had won? I doubt it. I think the French malignancy would have found fertile soil in a Henry Nation just as it did in the intemperate portion of the mind of Jefferson.

I really apreciate your reflections on our forms of government. I guess walking between the Twin Towers on the morning of 9/11 gives you a perspective on the importance of reflective thought and national analysis.


188 posted on 12/22/2009 11:43:52 AM PST by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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Excuse the double post.
Posting from a Blackberry is not too accurate for those of us that need reading glasses.


189 posted on 12/22/2009 11:47:15 AM PST by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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To: KC Burke

Now THAT’S a fine post. Leave it to you, old FRiend, to bring up societal issues as the root cause of political upheaval. The real question is where do we go from here? To me, the Constitution, as a form of “limited” government, is a dead letter. We’re just playing out the string. Then again, the people are clueless. Real leadership is nowhere to be found.


190 posted on 12/22/2009 12:37:35 PM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: RobRoy; woollyone
It still resonates today.

I was also reminded of this 2000 incident in which Republicans refused to let the Miami-Dade votes be counted only by democrats behind a locked door, but pounded on the door shouting "LET US IN!! LET US IN!!": -- what if our Republican senators had done that to the closed door sessions of health care work?

scroll down to "Taking it to the street"

and "Republican protestors storm Miami-Dade election office"

191 posted on 12/22/2009 2:29:14 PM PST by cyn (Courage is not the absence of fear, but the mastery of it. ~Mark Twain)
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To: happygrl
I wouldn't pot a bureaucrat. I'd aim higher, much higher.

That would be aiming in the wrong direction.

Take out the traitorous journalists, and the problem will take care of itself.

You ALWAYS aim for your enemies "command and CONTROL" apparatus.

192 posted on 12/22/2009 3:59:07 PM PST by papertyger (Representation without taxation is tyranny!)
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To: papertyger
Take them both out, traitorous Politicians and Journalists.
193 posted on 12/23/2009 9:09:27 AM PST by happygrl (Hope and Change or Rope and Chains?)
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To: djf
She’s still writing. From time to time, I get one of her articles on various email distro lists.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/wolfe_index.html

Thanks for the link.

194 posted on 12/23/2009 11:27:55 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash...)
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To: KC Burke

I’m glad I’m not the only one.

Although my current model is MUCH better than the older one.


195 posted on 12/23/2009 10:16:38 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Will Algore give me carbon credits for using treehuggers as home heating fuel? ~~ Galt/Reardon 2012)
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To: Peanut Gallery

ping


196 posted on 12/23/2009 10:17:37 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Will Algore give me carbon credits for using treehuggers as home heating fuel? ~~ Galt/Reardon 2012)
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To: ansel12

Back in basic training we all got to shoot and otherwise familiarize ourselves with our weapons. That was the easy part. The tougher part was hardening our minds. In basic we didn’t actually kill anybody, we just learned how to do it then we kept training until what we learned was drilled into our minds and souls. Most of the guys who went through all that training never had to pull a trigger on another human but they had to be ready to do so if it was needed. It had to be done that way then and now it has to be done again. Hopefully, we won’t need all that mental training now either. Hopefully, we’ll write thousands of posts and beat our chests and make dire threats. . . all for nothing.

You’re right when you claim that we’re mostly anti-terrorist and anti-murder. But what do we do when our government is murdering and terrorizing its own citizens? Every Jew killed by the Nazis was killed lawfully by lawfull representatives of a lawfully elected government. Almost daily we’re treated to the spectacle of American citizens being mistakenly deprived of their property, their fortunes and their lives by lawfull representatives of our lawfully elected government. How much more do we have to witness before we say “Enough!”

I’m old . . . too old to be of much use in whatever is to happen. Hell, if it holds off another year I might not even be around for it. I have kids though, and grandkids too and they’ll be involved. I hope they survive. Moreover, I hope they survive in freedom.

Merry Christmas to you and have a happy and safe 2010!


197 posted on 12/23/2009 11:37:22 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: oldfart
I’m old . . . too old to be of much use in whatever is to happen. Hell, if it holds off another year

You are never too old to pull a trigger if that is where your head is at, remember, you aren't talking about war, you are talking about domestic terrorism, so you can work part time and from home.

198 posted on 12/24/2009 3:28:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Traitor Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12

Terrorism. I believe that’s what “the other side” calls it. “Our side” refers to it as fourth generation warfare. Individuals aren’t the only ones who can engage in it, governments can too. Suppose our government had a bill it wanted passed, call it “cap and trade” for want of a better name. Suppose further that congress was a bit worried about repercussions if they pass it. Then the government declared carbon dioxide a “harmful gas” and threatened to control it via the EPA if congress doesn’t pass the bill. In so doing the government admits the classification was made to “terrify” congress into action.

Well, stop supposing and start looking at the record because that’s what actually happened. By their own admission the Obama administration is a “terrorist organization” and what do Freepers think of terrorists? Or is that just the terrorists that the government classifies as such?

Tell me, if some enterprising sharpshooter had slipped up on Hitler back in 1937 and put a bullet through his head, what would the world be like now? Would that shooter be a hero or an murderer and by whose definition? If the government doesn’t care about the law why should individuals worry about it?


199 posted on 12/24/2009 5:59:10 PM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: oldfart
By their own admission the Obama administration is a “terrorist organization” and what do Freepers think of terrorists? Or is that just the terrorists that the government classifies as such? Tell me, if some enterprising sharpshooter had slipped up on Hitler back in 1937 and put a bullet through his head, what would the world be like now? Would that shooter be a hero or an murderer and by whose definition? If the government doesn’t care about the law why should individuals worry about it?

I think you should ask the mod to pull your post and just let things drop.

200 posted on 12/24/2009 6:03:33 PM PST by ansel12 (Traitor Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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