What Defines an Organism? Biologists Say 'Purpose.'

ICR News ^ | December 10, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

[GodGunsGuts]

David Queller and Joan Strassmann, evolutionary biologists at Rice University, recently proposed a new way to describe what makes an organism a unified whole. They defined an organism as an entity made up of parts that cooperate well for an overall purpose, and do so with minimal conflict. But how do parts like these get together, and where does purposeful behavior come from?...

[MamaTexan]

Now that wasn’t so hard.

LOL! If it's 'not so hard' why can't the exact chemical compounds be named?

Chain reactions occurred between what chemicals?

What triggered the reactions?

If the components were already there, why did protolife appear first?

What caused proto life turn into life?

What kind of 'life' did the protolife evolve into?

Can scientists reproduce this birth of life under controlled conditions?

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Just a few simple questions need to be answered before conjecture can be accepted as a scientific fact, IMHO.

[metmom]

The Big Bang, yes.

Abiogenesis and the ToE, not so much.

Evos only want it to be separate and not all of them think it is. There’s disagreement within the scientific community on that as well.

For the record, could you tell me what the first cells evolved from? What was the selective pressure on common ancestor of the first cells that produced them?

[Wacka]

Evolution does not and never did address the origin of life. It is about what happened and is happened after life arose.

No matter how many times GGG (Old Yellowstain) and his groupies are told that this is the case, they ignore it.

[count-your-change]

I in no way limit God. I cannot. God's Word tells us how creation unfolded and contrary to Darwinism tells us man has fallen not become perfected or advanced.
Now if this is some sort of metaphor for evolution then we must conclude what the rest of God's Word says about man's condition must also be some sort of metaphor. Or simply the pious but erroneous thoughts of the writers.

Evolution is by it's own descriptions materialistic and without the need to refer to any creator god at all.

Limit God? Not at all, He can do as He wishes and that is beside the point of what He DID do. What is difficult to understand is why suggest God used evolution if evolutionary theory has an explanation for the existence of all things including man and, moreover, says it can explain all characteristics of man's makeup, conscience, religious feelings, altruism, morality, on and on.

Why do you try to put God in the theory of evolution?

[IronKros]

Abiogenesis is the study of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter.

TOE is the study of how organisms change over time.

[stormer]

"First it was the strawberries..."

(I couldn't find a good shot of Jerry Paris from the film.)

[xcamel]

Give me a billion years, and I’m sure I can make something of it...

Oh wait.. the fossil and the geologic record bears it all out... what was I thinking..

You and GGG failed the same 6th grade science class, didn’t you...

[Wacka]

Big Bang Theory- Good TV show.

Most of us geeks are like the guy with the hot girlfriend, not the Sheldon character. Sheldon’s’s so screwed up because his mother is a holy roller.

Hey crevos just watch the song in the intro, you might learn something.

[GodGunsGuts]

It all depends on what you mean:

http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/cosmic_evolution/docs/splash.html

[IronKros]

Yes, I just netflix'd the first 2 seasons.

I know guys with those traits. :)

[stormer]

And that article supports YEC how?

[mnehring]

If it's 'not so hard' why can't the exact chemical compounds be named?

You mean like water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), and hydrogen (H2) hit with electricity to produce amino acids which combine to form proteins?

CO₂ → CO + [O] (atomic oxygen)

CH₄ + 2[O] → CH₂O + H₂O

CO + NH₃ → HCN + H₂O

CH₄ + NH₃ → HCN + 3H₂

[MamaTexan]

Oh wait.. the fossil and the geologic record bears it all out... what was I thinking..

Apparently the capacity is beyond you since you side stepped any direct answer to the questions posed.

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You and GGG failed the same 6th grade science class, didn’t you...

Oh, a purile response from a self proclaimed expert. How predictable.

[xcamel]

Last time I set you straight on this one..

"Darwin's Evolution is by it's own descriptions materialistic and without the need to refer to any creator god at all."

Old Chuck has been dead a long time. the science and the theory have **evolved** a great deal, much like the airplane and the telephone.

So next time you go flying off on this old canard, call someone who cares.

[MamaTexan]

Thank you for your detailed response.

Would you happen to know how much electricity is required to produce amino acids?

[metmom]

The first cells were organisms.

What change happened to the *protolife* to make it an organism?

[count-your-change]

Last time I set you straight on this one..
“Darwin’s Evolution is by it’s own descriptions materialistic and without the need to refer to any creator god at all.”

Old Chuck has been dead a long time. the science and the theory have **evolved** a great deal, much like the airplane and the telephone.

So next time you go flying off on this old canard, call someone who cares.

[xcamel]

Some of which were seeded directly by GASP!...Meteorites!

[xcamel]

Just because you don’t like the answer....

[mnehring]

In the lab, the Miller–Urey experiment (reproducible) required very little, a small spark triggered the chemical reaction. I’ll see if I can find the specifics, but I know it was low power, the description was to create the effects of lightening on a very small scale (scaling down to lab size).