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To: MamaTexan

In the lab, the Miller–Urey experiment (reproducible) required very little, a small spark triggered the chemical reaction. I’ll see if I can find the specifics, but I know it was low power, the description was to create the effects of lightening on a very small scale (scaling down to lab size).


160 posted on 12/10/2009 1:44:07 PM PST by mnehring
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166 posted on 12/10/2009 1:47:09 PM PST by IronKros (Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition. ~Adam Smith, The Wealth)
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To: mnehring; MamaTexan

That’s right, MamaTexan.

You heard it.

Lightning.

And you know what lightning does to things, don’t you?


168 posted on 12/10/2009 1:47:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mnehring
In the lab, the Miller–Urey experiment (reproducible) required very little, a small spark triggered the chemical reaction.

Thank you. Not that I give credence to the science of PBS specials, but the last one I caught on the subject was talking about a massive amount of electricity from lightening. It didn't seem rational at the time because that amount of power would seem to COOK life, not create it. :-)

180 posted on 12/10/2009 1:56:22 PM PST by MamaTexan (If man evolved from apes, why do we still have apes?)
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To: mnehring; MamaTexan
In the lab,.....

'Nuff said.

188 posted on 12/10/2009 2:03:38 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mnehring
In the lab, the Miller–Urey experiment (reproducible) required very little, a small spark triggered the chemical reaction. I’ll see if I can find the specifics, but I know it was low power, the description was to create the effects of lightening on a very small scale (scaling down to lab size).

You know very well that the Miller-Urey experiment has been discredited by science by the assumption of an erronious primitive atmosphere. Originally Miller presumed CH4, NH3, and H2. The geochemical evidence points to these as unsubstantiated assuptions. It is now known that the strongest evidence points to an atmosphere of CO2, nitrogen gas, and water vapor predominated in the early atmosphere. It also showed significant amounts of O2, thus creating an early atmosphere which was hostile to production of amino acids. The oxygen creats an oxidative substance which quickly degrades amino acids to cyande and formic acid (formaldehyde) and other amines. According to Dr.James Brooks and Gordon Shaw the early atmosphere of the early precambrium indicates a nitrogen gas concentration of no more than 0.015%, which is markedly lower than we have in our atmosphere now. From this it is deduced that there never was a 'primitive soup' when the precambrium sediments were formed.

Oparins theory, Miller's theory, coacervates congealing to form life is not, and never has been even closly approximated. Your slight of hand to the unsuspecting does not befit one of science.

248 posted on 12/10/2009 3:54:56 PM PST by Texas Songwriter
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