Posted on 12/09/2009 8:22:43 PM PST by JSDude1
I think it's high time that we start to consider more than words, my friends.. Action more than apathy, and our nation and it's future more than ourselves:
In this course, I implore you all to think about but do NOT act yet.
I think it is high time that we start thinking about a TAX PROTEST (Civil Disobedience); aka a Tax Rebellion. Peaceful civil disobedience has been used throughout history to change the direction of a nation.
I would like to ask you if the next step of the Tea Party movement might be a (peaceful) civil disobedience of NOT PAYING AS MUCH FEDERAL TAXES AS YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH!~
If 1 person does this they can deprive you of wealth and inheritance, and your family as you sit in Jail. With 100,000 doing this they CANNOT stop us, with 1,000,000 this becomes virtually impossible.
The Brown family in NH tried this and lost their freedom for it (but the feds took years). I DO NOT advocate action now, but with the power-grab in Washington..
We all do not like what The Congress, White House, The Courts, and (90% of our Federal Bureaurocracy) is doing..it may be high time in the future to enact such a proposal. ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT of a blantantly Un-Constitutional and Fiscally Irresponsible HEALTHCARE BILL, then Cap-and-Tax, (Stimulus: II), Etc, and On and On.. When does this stop: and the AMerican people say: 'I WON'T PAY'?
I’d be careful if I were you. If you fail to pay your taxes, you could end up being tapped to be the next czar in the Obama administration.
I was thinking about a US CHAMBER event “ Lay a Liberal off Day”
But I wouldn't hesitate to take the first step -- this thing needs to come to a head.
For the VAST majority of Americans who are employed — they cannot easily ‘TAX PROTEST’ - even if they want to do so...
The onerous Federal Laws that mandate employer withholding of income taxes from a citizen’s payroll check make it neigh on impossible to protest by not paying taxes...
There is at least one exception — one can change the W-4 form to state that one has 10-12 dependents - thus practically eliminating withholding of payroll income tax ‘prepayments’ .... but getting people to do this is DIFFICULT INDEED!!!
Other than that - there is little one can do in a “tax protest”..
Don’t get me wrong - I am all for fighting the government...
Economic survival in adverse circumstances is the first objective. Don’t jeopardize economic survival by violating an enacted law.
Doing more than merely surviving is unexpected, and the best revenge. Go for it.
You must pay your taxes unless you are a Democrat or an illegal alien. Or, as is likely, both.
If you do not belong to to those favored groups, then tax rebellion will be met by Black Helicopters and FBI snipers who will shoot your dog.
Or your cat.
But, on another note, if it comes down to a choice between paying taxes or feeding your family, then I think the government may find that it has gone too far with its greedy guzzling.
I kind of assumed that if they pass this power grab on our health care the Tea Party movement would turn into a tax rebellion. Everyone can re-do their w-4 at work and add 15 dependents or whatever so they can’t get our income taxes. And if they decide to fund abortion, we (peacefully?) storm their offices as the 9/12 March.
That’s why they have automatic withholding. You can crank up the dependents but they’ll know you don’t have 12 kids if you’ve been filing for 2 the year before.
I’d say if we didn’t have automatic withholding it certainly would have a great chance of working. Now they don’t wait for your money and in some cases they take it even before you have it (estimated earnings for certain small businesses).
Better thing to try is if you’re in a small business and your boss is of the same mindset, since work and profits are going down, have him give you a ‘wage reduction’ but pay you the other part under the table.
To date, calls for civil disobedience or rebellion are not made coherently or with the force of real support behind them. Things might not be bad enough for such action—yet. Those of us who endured Carter found out that you can get to Reagan without upheaval. I think we can get to Palin by 2012 and begin to reverse much of the damage. I’ll try the System one more time. If it fails in 2012...well, you might be on to something.
I’ve thought about this sort of thing too. What got me thinking about it was when I was researching Peter Schiff, the Ron Paul-type Wall Street guy, who is running for Senate in Connecticut. His father is Irwin Schiff, who is a long time tax protester, one of those guys who will sell you a book telling you how it’s illegal for the government to charge you income taxes.
He has been convicted multiple times for income tax evasion, starting I believe in 1985. He is now in Federal Prison, and will not be released until 2016. He is presently 81 years old.
I thought, ‘what is an 81 year old guy doing in Federal prison?’ Then it hit me, this guy must scare the living hell out of the politicians and the elites, so they’re going to let all would-be tax protesters know they’re not screwing around when it comes to your taxes.
The best and only way to change things is to get personally involved in politics, starting at the grass roots level. People whine about RINOs in the Republican Party, and I agree. So attend the primary caucuses, become precinct leaders, get your candidates nominated, and then contribute all the money you can stand and all of the time you can stand to working for your candidates.
And as sympathetic as I am to a third party, there is no realistic chance of that happening because when all of the people willing to attend protests sit down in a room to hammer out a platform they’ll have so many differences and so little experience in how to resolve them that they’ll fracture into a dozen cliques and never accomplish anything. Furthermore, even if that hurdle could be overcome, building the machinery for a third party from the precinct to national level and everything in between is a monumental task costing tens of millions of dollars.
It would be far, far better to take over the machinery of the Republican Party, and that really wouldn’t be all that difficult. All if would take is for several million people to get up off their butts, resolve to be committed to the task of changing things, and go to every party meeting that exists and outvote anyone else there.
I didn’t say “third party” at all..(were you refering to another post/thread)??
I do say that it may be time to consider civil disobedience thought, and I AGREE getting involved in the Republican Party/Grassroots: However I do not agree “spending all the time I can it (that would be called IDIOLITRY myfriend, God comes first/people and souls, but the conservative/American cause is a ~Worthy Cause)~ God Bless, J.S.
I am willing to go to the PETA office and eat a triple whopper for the cause.
Screw DHS, and I am past the point of caring if they monitor me! :~P
Are you volunteering to be Tax Protestor #1? If so, please write and let us know which prison they've got you at.
It's not difficult once it is calmly explained to them, (and you're not SECREAMING!!!).
Then the process is quite simple:
Go to the personnel department
Request a W-4 Form
Fill it out with 12 exemptions
Federal revenues decrease
It may soon come to this:
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
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