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Rapid Rifting in Ethiopia Challenges Evolutionary Model
ICR News ^ | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 11/18/2009 9:13:37 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Volcanic activity in 2005 accompanied the formation of a deep, wide rift in Ethiopia on part of the 4,000-mile-long north-to-south trending Great Rift Valley fault. Studies show that the injection of mantle material that “unzipped” the earth along the fault operated the same way as similar material does in less-accessible undersea rifts. Scientists knew that rifts were formed in this manner, but the suddenness of this one’s formation astonished them...

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1 posted on 11/18/2009 9:13:37 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You can’t drawn any conclusions from volcanic activity in 2005. That was a unique event, caused by President Bush.


2 posted on 11/18/2009 9:19:08 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


3 posted on 11/18/2009 9:24:33 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s like I keep saying — we live in a divided world.


4 posted on 11/18/2009 9:26:17 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government -- Thomas Payne)
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To: Verginius Rufus
"It demonstrates numerically how earth’s ocean plates moved rapidly across the earth’s surface and were recycled into the earth's interior in mere months, rather than the millions of years assumed in the evolutionary model."

Ha-ha

5 posted on 11/18/2009 9:29:43 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: GodGunsGuts
Now, accumulating evidence of rapid rifting―huge seams that open in perhaps days―contradicts the uniformitarian gradualism popularized by geologist Charles Lyell and naturalist Charles Darwin 150 years ago and still held by many modern geologists. In contrast, the observations fit the Catastrophic Plate Tectonics model, and that model fits in a biblically-consistent history for the earth.

Just where is this story consistent with the seven day Biblical story?

6 posted on 11/18/2009 9:32:54 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: GodGunsGuts
And the snappers & snarlers will be appearing in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
7 posted on 11/18/2009 9:34:23 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: GodGunsGuts

Bush’s fault.


8 posted on 11/18/2009 9:37:16 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (There are only two REAL conservatives in America - myself, and my chosen Presidential candidate)
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To: YHAOS

LOL...they are so predictable :o)


9 posted on 11/18/2009 9:37:21 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: OldNavyVet

I believe it was speaking to the time of the great flood. Lots of plate activity during that time. (my interpretation)


10 posted on 11/18/2009 9:41:47 AM PST by MGBGUN (Freedom is not free.)
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To: OldNavyVet
When is Geology evolution? When, as with many other independent lines of evidence, it contradicts a young earth creationists timeline.

Evolution = any science that contradicts a creationist.

Astronomy = evolution when it speaks of billions of years, and hundreds of millions of years for light to reach us, and millions of years ages for stars, etc.

Geology = evolution when it speaks of the millions of years it takes to move continents that used to connect, when it speaks of features that would take millions of years to form, etc.

Radiometric dating = evolution.

Anthropology = evolution.

Gravity and Heliocentrism = evolution to our resident Geocentric Creationst FReepers.

Pretty much any science that doesn't support a six thousand or so year old Earth/ Universe is “evolution”; and that would be ALL of science that deals in any way with how old things are, or how they got to be the way they are.

Mutually independent lines of evidence having nothing to do with biological evolution? All “evolution” if it contradicts the weak of faith apologists who insist that “science must bend the knee” to their interpretation.

11 posted on 11/18/2009 9:44:12 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: SunkenCiv
This thread's already going gnarly, but may work for a catastophism ping.
12 posted on 11/18/2009 9:47:32 AM PST by colorado tanker (What's it all about, Barrrrry? Is it just for the power, you live?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thrilled by the prospect of absorbing more unparallelled scholarship from Brian Thomas MS* (it’s been a day since his last exposition of brilliance, and I was experiencing withdrawal), I quickly clicked on the ICR link and prepared to spend the rest of my day basking in the glory of the man’s genius. However, my daily fix of BTMS* was satisfied in but a minute, as the article consisted of only 482 words cleverly arranged among 7 paragraphs.

Despite the parsimony of verbiage (No! BECAUSE of it!), BTMS* still demonstrated conclusively that “...the observations fit the Catastrophic Plate Tectonics model, and that model fits in a biblically-consistent history for the earth.”

The man is amazing. In fewer words than a lesser scientist would write in but the abstract to a much longer article containing unnecessary data, he has once again demonstrated that the earth is a very young place. Our faith in young earth creation can only be further supported.

Did I mention that he even provided 3 references? Not peer-reviewed? Not hardly!

Please allow me to quote the obligatory last line from the article:

“See? Just like it says in Genesis! The End!”


13 posted on 11/18/2009 9:48:01 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Bwwwaaaaaahahahahaha Lyin' Brian Thomas MS* strikes again...

How about the lying title?

Rapid Rifting in Ethiopia Challenges Evolutionary Model

What exactly does the theory of evolution say about the rifting process? Nothing? Don't let that get int he way, Brian.

Their observations in Ethiopia’s Afar Desert directly challenge the outdated uniformitarian interpretation of earth processes, which holds that slow and gradual processes formed earth’s features.

False conclusion, Brian. Lumping all of Earth's geological features in one basket is sooooo scientific of you. Kinda like seeing flood waters quickly erode a valley in crumbly soil and saying "See, that's how the Grand Canyon coudl be quickly formed.

The rapidity with which crustal movements are now known to occur lend even more credibility to the Catastrophic Plate Tectonics model proposed by researcher John Baumgardner.

No, it doesn't.

It demonstrates numerically how earth’s ocean plates moved rapidly across the earth’s surface and were recycled into the earth's interior in mere months, rather than the millions of years assumed in the evolutionary model.

I am wholly unaware of an evolutionary model concerning plate techtonics. DO TELL...

accumulating evidence of rapid rifting―huge seams that open in perhaps days―contradicts the uniformitarian gradualism popularized by geologist Charles Lyell and naturalist Charles Darwin 150 years ago and still held by many modern geologists.

...because one specific thing may happen quickly does not mean that other entirely different things do as well. Two forces moving land in opposite directions can move faster with less force than two forces moving land towards each other. 2 cars parked tail to tail, driving away from each other do so easily and quickly. 2 cars parked nose-nose driving into each other well, you either get it or you don't.

14 posted on 11/18/2009 9:51:09 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: MGBGUN

You are referring, of course, to the younger Dryas event. I don’t know why Bible believers think that theirs is the only account of a huge flood to come down to us from ancient history. The flood myth is part of a group of myths that describe the end of the world from peoples all over the world in the thousands. We read of flood and destruction in Mayan records, Egyptian records, Chinese and Hindu stories, Icelandic and Nordic sagas, Babylonian epics, Native American lore, polynesian, Eskimos and Mongols, the list is endless. This is the most often told tale on the planet and thousands of ancient observers, bards and scribes didn’t just all make up the same story with the same plot line and cast of characters.

Younger Dryas.


15 posted on 11/18/2009 9:53:18 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui (consciousness is a heads up display)
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To: VanShuyten

Exactly, these earth is 6000 year old types just can’t be reasoned with by any form of logic or evidence. The great rift valley of Africa has been known for at least the last 100 years, recent upheavals have caused the break to move faster than a snales pace but 5.7 CM in a month. For the record, that’s about 2.25 inches.

While its certainly much faster than presumed by certain theories, a plate moving at 27 inches a year. The width of the pacific ocean at its widest point is 12,300 miles... So lets do some math shall we?

Assume the trench is in the middle of the ocean, its not, but lets just say it is... that 6,150 miles before the plate roughly hits a contintental shelf.

Now, lets take this amazing 27 inches per year and see how long it would take to run that distance shall we?

2.25’ per year, to cover a distance of 6150 miles or (6150 x 5280 feet) 32472000 feet. So at 2.25 feet per year, that distance is covered in 14,432,000 years!

So even at this astounding speed, its still roughly 14 and a half million years before the distance has been covered by plate movement.

Its just rediculous to claim this stuff is or has happened in months based on any analysis of any known evidence.

Sites like ICR just make me laugh, if any new evidence is found that puts a current theory into question they immediately take that evidence and try to spin it as proof of some absolute absurdity, even with the new evidence. Obviously new observations cause re-evalutions of assumptions and conclusions, but to claim that techtonic plates are covering thousands of miles in months is just laughable.

I personally have no doubt God created the universe and all within it, but what passes for “Creationist Science” meets neither of the words they use to describe themselves.


16 posted on 11/18/2009 9:53:50 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: ElectricStrawberry
Well, the reference to Ethiopia's Afar Desert gets us back to the Bible. The magi traveled through there on the way to Bethlehem.

"We three kings, who traveled Afar..."

17 posted on 11/18/2009 9:58:04 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: allmendream

Thank you for the heads up as to how Creationists “see” things.

Might we call it an ostrich syndrome?


18 posted on 11/18/2009 9:59:18 AM PST by OldNavyVet (Don't drink the Koolaid.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Also known as the Hydroplate Theory. From my links page “Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood”

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html


19 posted on 11/18/2009 9:59:46 AM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Yollopoliuhqui
We read of flood and destruction in Mayan records, Egyptian records, Chinese and Hindu stories, Icelandic and Nordic sagas, Babylonian epics, Native American lore, polynesian, Eskimos and Mongols, the list is endless.

Shhhhh.....those were pagan stories and not from 'true' Christians, so they don't count.

20 posted on 11/18/2009 10:00:29 AM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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