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Lessons from Fort Hood shooting
Cleveland Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 6 November, 2009 | Daniel White

Posted on 11/07/2009 5:08:49 AM PST by marktwain

Edited on 11/08/2009 7:50:18 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

As many people know by now, or are waking up to this morning, yesterday 39-year-old Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, went on a shooting spree at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas killing 13 and injuring at least 30. While Hasan is in critical condition and unconscious, some are speculating that the motive for the shooting was concern over his upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.


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American soldiers are volunteer professionals. It is stupid to keep them disarmed in this war without fronts.
1 posted on 11/07/2009 5:08:50 AM PST by marktwain
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Daniel White touches on the single most important element of personal safety: your own state of mind. There are always plenty of tools available to help you fight off an attacker—furniture, utensils, anything heavy that can be thrown, your own hands and feet. The odds against an armed attacker may be dauntingm but the alternative is to die doing nothing.

Don’t walk around in condition white. As Marines like to say, “Be pleasant to everyone, but have a plan for killing them.”

TC


2 posted on 11/07/2009 5:25:33 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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In the Reagan Army in the 80s, I’d go years without even smelling an M-16. Army brass, for good reason, don’t often trust their troopies with live ammo. They were probably filling in range qualification scores for me & shuffling the training budget numbers around. Didn’t matter much, anyway, ‘cause the 16s were really .22 rimfire - special magazines, bolt adapters, and scaled targets on a 25 meter range.


3 posted on 11/07/2009 5:32:15 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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It’s also stupid to allow Muslims in the military without frequent and extensive monitoring. Polygraphs every 6 months. It’s been 8 years since 9/11. We should have a glut of fluent middle east language experts by now.

A Muslim military psychiatrist? That’s just stupid PC-ness.


4 posted on 11/07/2009 5:43:15 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: flowerplough
In the Reagan Army in the 80s, I’d go years without even smelling an M-16. Army brass, for good reason, don’t often trust their troopies with live ammo. They were probably filling in range qualification scores for me & shuffling the training budget numbers around. Didn’t matter much, anyway, ‘cause the 16s were really .22 rimfire - special magazines, bolt adapters, and scaled targets on a 25 meter range.

Hmmm... I was there in the 80's and actually remember an IMPROVEMENT in training under Reagan, after the disaster during the Carter years.

I never, ever even SAW a "16" that was "really .22 rimfire", and I was a Drill Sergeant during the 80's. We burned through a LOT of ammo during BRM training. Seems to me that if anyone used .22 rimfire, it would have been available to us for extra training.

Did your experience have something to do with your MOS?

5 posted on 11/07/2009 5:44:23 AM PST by PalmettoMason (Half Honkey.....ALL Donkey! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Mmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm!)
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We used .22 adapters in M-16s in Germany in the 80s at an indoor range. It was a good economical training device, but it was only used to augment actual range time not as a substitute. We also used to use frangible ammunition in our coax machine guns occasionally to utilize local pistol ranges for tank gunnery training. That was to maintain some profiency between trips to Graf.


6 posted on 11/07/2009 5:55:06 AM PST by csmusaret (Fox is more of a news network than Obama is an American President.)
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“experience have something to do with your MOS?” Must’ve. TRADOC - Instructor in a commo school at Fort Gordon, usually on second shift (RHIP).


7 posted on 11/07/2009 5:57:18 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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The big lesson has been learned but will never be put into action:

mass deportations.


8 posted on 11/07/2009 5:58:56 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: marktwain
In comparison, many states are passing Stand Your Ground legislation to remove the burden to try to retreat when faced with a criminal attack. Allowing people to fight back from the start greatly increases their chance for survival.

The State is going to ALLOW us to fight back, how magnanimous... PC gun control advocates have led us to a place where AMERICAN SOLDIERS are DISARMED and HELPLESS. If the citizenry has the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, certainly soldiers should be allowed to carry sidearms for just such an occasion.

Could one open fire on his fellow? Yes, but not for very long...

9 posted on 11/07/2009 6:00:21 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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New Jersey has one of the most restrictive rules regarding home break ins.

If someone has broken into your home you must first attempt to escape.If you have a firearm for protection you must tell them before you fire that you have a weapon and are going to use it.

10 posted on 11/07/2009 6:06:33 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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Muslim radicals call Hasan ‘Officer and a Gentleman’
13 deaths were ‘pre-emptive attack;’ ‘We do NOT denounce his actions’

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115325

Shooter advised Obama transition
Fort Hood triggerman aided team on Homeland Security task force

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

Military jihadists fill ‘every branch’
Ultimate 5th column penetration, warns best-selling ‘Muslim Mafia’

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115218


11 posted on 11/07/2009 6:08:14 AM PST by blueplum
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Guess a home protector now has to make sure they’re dead so there are no witnesses for the State. Too bad for them...


12 posted on 11/07/2009 6:15:22 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." - Milton)
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To: flowerplough
Must’ve. TRADOC - Instructor in a commo school at Fort Gordon, usually on second shift (RHIP).

Cool. Thanks for your service.

13 posted on 11/07/2009 6:20:36 AM PST by PalmettoMason (Half Honkey.....ALL Donkey! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Mmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm!)
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To: mware
If you have a firearm for protection you must tell them before you fire that you have a weapon and are going to use it.

LOL

BANG BANG BANG..."Stop, I have a gun and I will use it!...BANG BANG BANG BANG click.

LOL

14 posted on 11/07/2009 6:25:15 AM PST by PalmettoMason (Half Honkey.....ALL Donkey! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Mmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm!)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
your own state of mind

I often say that the weapons are all in my head. The rest is just hardware.

15 posted on 11/07/2009 6:26:12 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: ez

In Israel all military persons, both men and women carry their weapons at ALL times. It was very common to see them mixed with people at malls, restaurants, anywhere in public with a weapon slung over their shoulder. It was comforting to know if anyone tried anything crazy, there would be someone within eyesight to take them down!


16 posted on 11/07/2009 6:33:34 AM PST by Desparado
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To: marktwain

The most valuable lesson is not “if”, but “when”.


17 posted on 11/07/2009 6:41:28 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: PalmettoMason
BANG BANG BANG..."Stop, I have a gun and I will use it!...BANG BANG BANG BANG click.

You need to upgrade from that ol' wheel gun friend.

18 posted on 11/07/2009 7:14:18 AM PST by 11Bush
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Army regulations require that under normal operational procedure at Army bases on home soil soldiers are prohibited from carrying weapons unless under specific orders to do so (such as military police).

What is the reason for this and when did this start?
19 posted on 11/07/2009 7:19:41 AM PST by weef
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...agreed...served in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and on into 2000...I can tell you the best years were under Reagan, no doubt...more money, better training, more stability...things began to go downhill around 92’...


20 posted on 11/07/2009 7:30:10 AM PST by nicko (CW3 (ret.) CPT, you need to just unass the AO; I know what I'm doing- that goes for you too, Major)
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