Are you certain they just didn't get sucked into it?
Posted on 11/04/2009 10:53:29 AM PST by DesertRenegade
Andrew Sullivan: The truth about civil marriage - why it is the essential criterion for gay equality - is that it alone explodes this core marginalization and invisibility of gay people. It alone can reach those gay kids who need to know they have a future as a dignified human being with a family. It alone tells society that gay people are equal in their loves and in their hearts and in their families - not just useful in a society with a need for talented or able individuals whose private lives remain perforce sequestered from view.
This is why it remains the prize. And why our eyes must remain fixed upon it. In my view, the desperate nature of the current tactics against us, the blatant use of fear around children (which both worries parents and also stigmatizes gay people in one, deft swoop) are signs that what we are demanding truly, truly matters.
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So much for the stated myth that it was all about the actions of consenting ADULTS in PRIVATE.
Anything goes. Slippery slope. Rick Santorum was right.
They infiltrated the psychology ranks and deemed their own behavior “normal”.
Great example why you never want felons or people serving sentences in prison to have voting privileges, then politicians will cater to them as well.
Kevin Jennings has basically already admitted he wants to recruit in the public schools.
In any case, Sullivan's statement is not in support of recruiting. He believes (or at least claims to) that there are certain kids who are going to find out that they are gay and shouldn't have to suffer any abuse when they find that out. He probably believes the gay community line that no kids who are heterosexual will even try to experiment with homosexuality just because their teachers spend class time talking about it.
Personally I don't believe any school time should be wasted on any of this, and if the parents don't teach their kids about the birds and the bees so be it. Parents don't teach their kids how to manage their money or how to drive properly, so why should we expect them to teach their kids about the birds and the bees? And why should be expect the schools to do a better job of it when they are so bad at simple things like math and reading?
One thing I disagree with you on is your confidence that homosexual marriage will continue to be opposed by the electorate.
There used to be a solid 75% opposed to gay marriage. Now it is down to 55% or so. It won't be long before that erodes to 45%.
Then we at FR will be under constant threat of being found guilty of hate crimes for just expressing our opinions in opposition to what will be the status quo ... or rather ... status ho mo!
The blatant attempt by school officials to present homosexuality in schools on a level footing with heterosexuality, isn’t just shameful, it should be criminal IMO.
This isn’t about what lifestyles people choose for themselves, although I don’t favor open homosexuality, it’s about the children. And in this instance, the phrase “for the children” is very appropriate.
There is a goal to teach children from K on up, that homosexuality is a choice with no more moral impact than selecting which brand of toothpaste to use. These are kids that aren’t even old enough to comprehend heterosexual sexuality. So in these pre-formative years, these kids are being told that they should keep an open mind about homosexuality. The eventual message here (even if not in Kindergarten) is, “Hey, have you tried it? Then how do you know?”
That’s not my visions of the three Rs. Leave it to the people who sought to steal the rainbow and stink up a happy word, to make one of the Rs Rses...
Homosexuals need to watch their step, because the public is being forced into making some powder keg decisions these days. When it comes to K on up children, these people have clearly stepped over the line.
Everyone should keep this in mind -
they will NOT ALLOW DISSENTING OPINIONS
when they get power.
So, you will have the same choices as you do under Islamic rule:
Convert,
Be enslaved,
or Die
I know what you’re talking about. Many things considered taboo have becomed de-tabooed. That’s isn’t my point. On the face of it, it really isn’t going to make a difference in my life if gay people are allowed to get married by the state, but there are other aspects of the radical gay agenda that I find appalling such as their desire to mould the minds of public school kids as well as other aspects of the thought police in action. Do I want a church to be punished if they speak out against the gay lifestyle as immoral? (No, although I don’t care if they live together and do the nasty or don’t live together and do the nasty) Being opposed to something on ideological or ethical terms doesn’t equate HATE. This is the lie of the radical gay agenda as well most of leftydom. I am glad though that the people in Maine get to vote on the issue of gay marrige instead of it being shoved in the back door (sorry for the pun) of some judge’s chamber.
Are you certain they just didn't get sucked into it?
“if the parents don’t teach their kids about the birds and the bees so be it”
Even the youngest of children know through common sense that Mommy is a woman and Daddy is a man. With open eyes they see that Man + Woman = baby while Man + Man = HIV. It is not something that even needs to be taught - it is self evident.
Absolute mentally ill horsecrap... My family and my marriage are not defined by any government entity. If the government collapsed tommorrow I'd still be married and my family would still exist.
If you think your future is dictated by government sanction you are not only mentally ill, but a complete loon.
My marriage is not defined by the government, in fact I couldn't even tell you where my government issued marriage certificate is. I'm sure its in a drawer somewhere with other legal documents that hold no meaning other than they need pulled out for a beaurocrat once a decade or so, but it certainly does not define my love, my marriage or my family.
In fact I don't want the government involved in my relationship at all, and the only reason that it is tolerated is that there is a legitimate argument that the government has a vested interested in offspring, that traditional marriage produces. Homosexual "marriage" cannot produce offspring naturally, so there is absolutely no reason government should have any involvement in those relationships.
My marriage is an institution before God, not the state. The stage could abolish its recognition of my marriage tommorrow and it would have absolutely zero impact on my life or my marriage.
Homosexuals are free to be with whoever they want, they are free to find some pastor or other relgious group willing to "marry" them, but they cannot offer one legitimate secular or non-secular reason why the state should have any interest in their relationships, and its frankly frightening and insane that they want the state involved in them at all.
Amazing. He needs to take himself and his disgusting proclivities back to England.
You are quite correct.
In the long run, unfortunately, this is a losing cause.
Barring some dramatic change in our society’s trajectory.
Exactly, your orientation is dictated by your biology, it doesn’t take a genious to figure out the sexual orientation biologically of an adult male. Denial of this orientation and a wish to behave in actions that are counter to this biological orientation is simply mental illness, nothing more.
Oh yeah, the one in the middle had a brothel going out of his DC apartment, right? Of course no cause to retire him.
If gays are given the right to marry, the next thing they will demand is the right to adopt children. How do you feel about a gay couple of men adopting a young boy? What do you think the boy will be exposed to? Any thoughts?
They were already caught on tape in some schools teaching fisting and other things in the name of tolerance, so IMO, block them always from the children.
So Andy admits that same sex marriage has nothing to do with freedom of homosexuals to do what they want in pricate, and has everything to do with having government put its stamp of approval on homosexual behavior. As there are differing views on the morality of homosexual behavior, the state has no business giving its imprimatur to this.
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