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It is pretty telling that that so soon upon defeat, these rage filled homosexual activists are admitting their true agenda - to influence young children with their propaganda. All these years, they've insisted that they don't 'recruit', yet now they are boldly vowing to do just that. They will eventually learn that the vast majority of people reject this unhealthy and perverted lifestyle choice and if put to the ballot - we will vote it down each and every time.
1 posted on 11/04/2009 10:53:30 AM PST by DesertRenegade
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To: DesertRenegade
Twenty five plus years ago it was an abnormal psychological mental illness, then it became a political cause.
2 posted on 11/04/2009 10:55:56 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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So much for the stated myth that it was all about the actions of consenting ADULTS in PRIVATE.

Anything goes. Slippery slope. Rick Santorum was right.


3 posted on 11/04/2009 10:55:59 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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Kevin Jennings has basically already admitted he wants to recruit in the public schools.


6 posted on 11/04/2009 11:03:58 AM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com .... I am a rogue nobody. One of millions.)
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I agree that homosexual marriage should continue to be banned. My major reasons are that the public schools will be sued into teaching gay is OK regardless of the opinions of the parents. Also, anyone in the wedding business will be sued into oblivion if they try to avoid servicing homosexual weddings.

In any case, Sullivan's statement is not in support of recruiting. He believes (or at least claims to) that there are certain kids who are going to find out that they are gay and shouldn't have to suffer any abuse when they find that out. He probably believes the gay community line that no kids who are heterosexual will even try to experiment with homosexuality just because their teachers spend class time talking about it.

Personally I don't believe any school time should be wasted on any of this, and if the parents don't teach their kids about the birds and the bees so be it. Parents don't teach their kids how to manage their money or how to drive properly, so why should we expect them to teach their kids about the birds and the bees? And why should be expect the schools to do a better job of it when they are so bad at simple things like math and reading?

One thing I disagree with you on is your confidence that homosexual marriage will continue to be opposed by the electorate.

There used to be a solid 75% opposed to gay marriage. Now it is down to 55% or so. It won't be long before that erodes to 45%.

Then we at FR will be under constant threat of being found guilty of hate crimes for just expressing our opinions in opposition to what will be the status quo ... or rather ... status ho mo!

7 posted on 11/04/2009 11:05:05 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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The blatant attempt by school officials to present homosexuality in schools on a level footing with heterosexuality, isn’t just shameful, it should be criminal IMO.

This isn’t about what lifestyles people choose for themselves, although I don’t favor open homosexuality, it’s about the children. And in this instance, the phrase “for the children” is very appropriate.

There is a goal to teach children from K on up, that homosexuality is a choice with no more moral impact than selecting which brand of toothpaste to use. These are kids that aren’t even old enough to comprehend heterosexual sexuality. So in these pre-formative years, these kids are being told that they should keep an open mind about homosexuality. The eventual message here (even if not in Kindergarten) is, “Hey, have you tried it? Then how do you know?”

That’s not my visions of the three Rs. Leave it to the people who sought to steal the rainbow and stink up a happy word, to make one of the Rs Rses...

Homosexuals need to watch their step, because the public is being forced into making some powder keg decisions these days. When it comes to K on up children, these people have clearly stepped over the line.


8 posted on 11/04/2009 11:06:24 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Unseal the lock box containing every document pertaining to Obama's life, TODAY!)
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. It alone tells society that gay people are equal in their loves and in their hearts and in their families

Absolute mentally ill horsecrap... My family and my marriage are not defined by any government entity. If the government collapsed tommorrow I'd still be married and my family would still exist.

If you think your future is dictated by government sanction you are not only mentally ill, but a complete loon.

My marriage is not defined by the government, in fact I couldn't even tell you where my government issued marriage certificate is. I'm sure its in a drawer somewhere with other legal documents that hold no meaning other than they need pulled out for a beaurocrat once a decade or so, but it certainly does not define my love, my marriage or my family.

In fact I don't want the government involved in my relationship at all, and the only reason that it is tolerated is that there is a legitimate argument that the government has a vested interested in offspring, that traditional marriage produces. Homosexual "marriage" cannot produce offspring naturally, so there is absolutely no reason government should have any involvement in those relationships.

My marriage is an institution before God, not the state. The stage could abolish its recognition of my marriage tommorrow and it would have absolutely zero impact on my life or my marriage.

Homosexuals are free to be with whoever they want, they are free to find some pastor or other relgious group willing to "marry" them, but they cannot offer one legitimate secular or non-secular reason why the state should have any interest in their relationships, and its frankly frightening and insane that they want the state involved in them at all.

13 posted on 11/04/2009 11:11:02 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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Wasn't this guy considered a "conservative" at some point?

Amazing. He needs to take himself and his disgusting proclivities back to England.

14 posted on 11/04/2009 11:11:57 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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If gays are given the right to marry, the next thing they will demand is the right to adopt children. How do you feel about a gay couple of men adopting a young boy? What do you think the boy will be exposed to? Any thoughts?


18 posted on 11/04/2009 11:14:14 AM PST by majormaturity
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So Andy admits that same sex marriage has nothing to do with freedom of homosexuals to do what they want in pricate, and has everything to do with having government put its stamp of approval on homosexual behavior. As there are differing views on the morality of homosexual behavior, the state has no business giving its imprimatur to this.


20 posted on 11/04/2009 11:16:29 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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Bump to reference later


25 posted on 11/04/2009 11:19:40 AM PST by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all!!!)
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The only way we can show misguided, sick children who are convinced they’re homosexual is by redefining an institution that has served as social bedrock for thousands of years?

Apparently logic doesn’t rate high in Andy’s forensic hierarchy.


27 posted on 11/04/2009 11:21:29 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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When gays are able to procreate then we might have a need to have a conversation about the equality of homosexual and heterosexual lifestyles. Until then, the two are not equal and cannot be.


29 posted on 11/04/2009 11:24:22 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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Yup. This is very revealing. It's all about recruitment. They want to start with young kids who have not really figured out their own sexual identities yet. Expose them to this wonderful and wholly acceptable gay lifestyle and flip them in that direction.

Then get them to have their first sexual experience with a member of their own sex and you've probably created a new gay playmate.

Sick.

31 posted on 11/04/2009 11:30:25 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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And now it’s illegal to say the truth about all this.


32 posted on 11/04/2009 11:36:26 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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Doesn’t it make one want to put one’s hand on one’s hip, lean to one side and say “OH - GET OVER IT!”?


35 posted on 11/04/2009 11:39:19 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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It is pretty telling that that so soon upon defeat, these rage filled homosexual activists are admitting their true agenda - to influence young children with their propaganda.

Here in Massachusetts, we have already been-there-done-that with regard to the "legalization" of gay marriage (by judicial fiat and not by referendum) being used by radical gay activists as a justification for indoctrinating our kids in the public schools....as early as kindergarten!!!

We,in Massachusetts, may have lost the "gay marriage" battle for now, but we are not going to allow that to discourage us from continuing to fight the good fight with a view to winning the "gay marriage" war.

We the people of Massachusetts were denied our right to vote on the "gay marriage" issue. We will not stop doing everything we can to change that.

When the gay activists in California started their now-familiar whining embodied in their drama queen lament "How is legalizing gay marriage hurting anyone?" we did our best to flood California with the truth about how gay activists started indoctrinating our children in the public schools IMMEDIATELY after gay marriage became legal here in the state of Massachusetts.

Actually, it was a lesbian California teacher, among others, who made our case best for us when she set up a "field trip" to city hall so that her grade school students could attend her same sex wedding!

At the end of the day, when radical gay activists call us "homophobes," we should feel complemented, since "homophobia" is simply the natural revulsion that unnatural acts invite in most people

40 posted on 11/04/2009 12:07:57 PM PST by Sons of Union Vets (No taxation without representation!)
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"But civil rights victories... are always built on the foundations of defeats. Sometimes, the defeat of a minority's sincere aspiration to equality helps reveal the injustice of the discrimination and the cruelty of the marginalization. Sometimes, it helps show just how poorly treated we are, and galvanizes a community to fight back more fiercely... That has certainly been true of previous civil rights movements. It is just as true of ours."

Surely, Mr. Sullivan needs his head examined. I can assure him that if blacks had the numbers and influence in govt., entertainment, and media that gays have now; if blacks had the per capita income that gays enjoy now; they never would have needed to ask for a civil rights bill.

Gays suffer no injustice. They have the same rights we all have. They want special rights. Because they believe that laws giving them special rights will somehow give them legitimacy, will take away that hole in the middle of their souls, that bottomless pit that gnaws at them everyday telling them that what they are doing is wrong, that they need to stop before it's too late. No court, or law created by any government will be able to change the act that God says is an abomination into anything worthy of praise.

Their loss is to their and our gain and even when they think they win, they lose.

48 posted on 11/04/2009 4:44:21 PM PST by Waryone (II Chronicles 7:14)
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