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What Do Americans Believe About Creationism and Evolution?</
john in springfield | 10/23/2009 | jis (vanity)

Posted on 10/23/2009 8:18:13 PM PDT by john in springfield

What Do Americans Believe About Creationism and Evolution?

After spending time on some of the recent discussions here at FR about Young Earth Creationism (YEC) and other points of view (which I will call Old Earth Creationism (OEC) and Naturalistic Evolution), I found myself wondering: how many FReepers (and how many Americans) hold each particular view?

Obviously, there aren't any statistics on FReepers. But there are on Americans as a whole, and on certain groups of Americans.

The best general resource I've found so far on people's viewpoints is located here. I will summarize some of those here.

(Note: This page uses slightly different terms for a couple of these viewpoints, but as far as I can tell, they mean the same thing.)

American adults as a whole:

About 45% accept the Young Earth Creationist viewpoint, about 37% accept the Old Earth Creationist viewpoint, and around 12% to 14% accept the Naturalistic Evolution viewpoint.

This has held fairly steady over the past 25 years or so. The percentage who believe in NE may have increased slightly, but overall, the numbers have held fairly steady.

A CBS News poll gave a bit different percentages: YEC 55%, OEC 27%, NE 13%.

Observations:

There are a lot of people who believe in young earth creationism, and there are also a lot of people who believe in old earth creationism as well.

The vast majority of Americans believe in God.

The majority of Americans believe in evolution.

American college graduates (Gallup Poll, 1991):

The numbers change significantly among the college-educated:

YEC: 25%
OEC: 54%
NE: 17%

It is interesting to me that most - a full 54% - college-educated Americans accept the Old-Earth Creationist (or theistic evolutionist) view.

Note also the effect that a college education seems to have: With a few exceptions, people who go to college don't stop believing in God. However, quite a few do seem to shift from YEC to OEC.

This graph also means that an awful lot of people who don't go to college believe in YEC rather than in either OEC or NE.

Note that while this poll is nearly 20 years old, based on what we know from some other polls, overall beliefs do not seem to have changed greatly during this time.

Scientists (Gallup Poll, 1997):

YEC: 5%
OEC: 40%
NE: 55%

Note: The word "scientist" seems to be very vague in this poll, which apparently includes a lot of people with professional degrees in fields completely unrelated to biology, geology, etc.

In any event, a majority of "scientists" don't seem to believe that God was involved in the development of life on earth. It's not a very large majority, though. "Scientists" are divided as to whether God was involved. Most of those who think He was believe that this involvement included the process of evolution.

Earth and Life Scientists

A 1987 Newsweek article claimed that well under 1% of earth and life scientists in the United States support the YEC viewpoint of origins. While I have some doubts about the reliability of their estimate (a nationwide total of 700 YEC earth/life scientists seems just too small to me), that number would still seem to be a very small one.

However, given that only 5% of "scientists" support YEC, the under-1% figure may well be true. I just don't know. Nor do I have access to the original 1987 Newsweek article to see exactly how they got their information.

If there's another poll or two out there on this, it might be interesting to know about.

Beliefs of Christians Concerning Origins

A 2007 Harris Poll showed the following percentages of Christians who accept the theory of evolution:

Catholics: 43%
Protestants: 30%
"Born-Again Christians": 16%

Can One Believe in God and Evolution?

Finally, a 2005 CBS Poll stated that a full two thirds (67%) of Americans believe that it's possible for one to believe both in God and in evolution.


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To: Natural Law; GodGunsGuts
It is a common tactic among the YEC types to bait, insult and tattle to mods if there is a response in kind.

GGGs is so bad! Seldom does a YECer get this reputation.

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To: GodGunsGuts I repeat, stop hitting the abuse button. 210 posted on 10/22/2009 3:29:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

241 posted on 10/25/2009 10:33:35 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: john in springfield
"For one brief moment there, it looked as if GGG might actually engage in some real and adult dialogue..."

I'm thinking that there is a real self esteem issue there. Those that project the playground bully image with the anonymity of the internet are usually the timid victims in real life.

242 posted on 10/25/2009 10:35:04 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

Sorry, but I’ve never been banned from FR. Of course, you can tell from my posts that I generally don’t engage in the kind of personal attacks that you do.

I see you still will not deal with your unChristian behavior. Maybe God will get through to you some day.


243 posted on 10/25/2009 10:38:37 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: Natural Law

I don’t know. Not my area of expertise.


244 posted on 10/25/2009 10:40:21 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: ColdWater
"Seldom does a YECer get this reputation."

I don't mean to paint all who believe in Young Earth Creation with the same brush. Most are very decent Christians with a narrow interpretation of Scripture. I do not belittle the belief because it is different than mine, but I do try to explain the differences to those who are interested. Unfortunately, GGG and his amen chorus chap a lot of butts.

245 posted on 10/25/2009 10:41:07 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
I don't mean to paint all who believe in Young Earth Creation with the same brush. Most are very decent Christians with a narrow interpretation of Scripture. I do not belittle the belief because it is different than mine, but I do try to explain the differences to those who are interested.

Rather a different approach from that of some here.

246 posted on 10/25/2009 10:43:22 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: john in springfield

Speaking of adult behavior, it is considered bad manners to talk about a fellow FReeper behind their back. But I’m sure you learned that during your previous screenname, Mr. Manners. You know, the one you used to use before you got banned.

PS What was your former screenname again?


247 posted on 10/25/2009 10:44:36 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Speaking of adult behavior, it is considered bad manners to talk about a fellow FReeper behind their back.

I apologize. I do generally attempt to ping people when I talk about them. And I will try to do so for you in the future.

248 posted on 10/25/2009 10:46:21 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

And I guess you hadn’t read my post at 243.


249 posted on 10/25/2009 10:47:09 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: Natural Law

Presumably you’ve had a fair amount of conversation on the whole creationism/ evolution thing. Do you typically find that there is real ugliness on one side or the other? Or is that just kind of a random, one-off occurrence?


250 posted on 10/25/2009 10:50:40 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: john in springfield

LOL...this, from the guy who calls himself a Christian, but can’t decide if God even exists. And if your version of god does exist, you posit that he/she/it would be an emergent property of an infinite multivierse!


251 posted on 10/25/2009 10:51:24 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: john in springfield

And just for the record, have you ever posted over at Darwin Central?


252 posted on 10/25/2009 10:57:01 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Speaking of adult behavior, it is considered bad manners to talk about a fellow FReeper behind their back. But I’m sure you learned that during your previous screenname, Mr. Manners.

I could pull up a few of your recent posts to show your hypocrisy.

253 posted on 10/25/2009 11:00:04 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: ColdWater

Shaking in my boots...what do you want, money, power, fame?


254 posted on 10/25/2009 11:03:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I'm sorry, but you seem to have pretty much misunderstood some of my earlier postings.

What I posted, in effect, was this:

Observation: The finely-tuned nature of the universe is extraordinary, and could only be explained by one of two possibilities.

Either:

Explanation A: God created the universe.

Explanation B: There exist an infinite number of universes outside of our own.

If one starts from a position of reason, then those would seem to be the only two reasonable explanations for this phenomenon.

So either A or B has to be true.

If A is true, then: Voila. God exists.

If B on the other hand is true (note that I never stated that A was untrue, but IF B is true), then basically everything that can happen will happen, and, yes, this seems to me to imply that an all-knowing, all-powerful being will arise somewhere in the multiverse.

The point is: Essentially, if A, then A. If B, then also A.

It's true that a "B" A would not necessarily equal an "A" A. But the argument deals a blow to the notion that there is no God.

And in any event, what I do or don't believe about God still does not excuse your unGodly and unChristian behavior.

I just thought I would mention that, since you don't seem to have realized that from the Bible, a true Christian is admonished to do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

255 posted on 10/25/2009 11:05:36 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Shaking in my boots...what do you want, money, power, fame?

You surprise me. All I want is you to honor me with another thread dedication!

256 posted on 10/25/2009 11:05:57 PM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts
And just for the record, have you ever posted over at Darwin Central?

I already answered that, when I told you that I didn't know what "Darwin Central" was. I do now. I looked it up today.

257 posted on 10/25/2009 11:06:33 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: john in springfield
If B, then also A.

Or at least, B pretty strongly suggests A. It's not an iron-clad argument, but I think it's a pretty fair one.

258 posted on 10/25/2009 11:08:18 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

By the way, I’ve answered all of your questions. I’ve even apologized for failing to ping you to a thread.

Now when will you apologize to me?

When will you show humility for your actions? And when will you start acting like a real Christian?


259 posted on 10/25/2009 11:10:31 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: john in springfield

What do you want me apoligize for...exposing you as a phony?


260 posted on 10/25/2009 11:14:58 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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