Posted on 10/22/2009 2:44:51 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Was our oldest ancestor a proton-powered rock?
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The picture painted by Russell and Martin is striking indeed. The last common ancestor of all life was not a free-living cell at all, but a porous rock riddled with bubbly iron-sulphur membranes that catalysed primordial biochemical reactions...
(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...
post hoc ergo proptor hoc.
you lose.
Good one :o)
Can you believe they are funded with our tax dollars to come up with this crap!
God’s Holy Word is full of metaphore’s.
Science exists for a reason, and putting a name on something is not contradictory to faith.
“The atheist’s defense of his/her absurd theories is always: deep time. As in, given enough time, the world would evolve to what we see today. This is equivalent to an elaborate fairy tale that they wish to be true. Has order ever evolved from chaos? Can they explain how a functioning organism - not to mention civilizations - can form by virtue of just existing for billions of years? Their arguments are extremely weak, yet anyone who challenges them is considered to be a dufus. Go figure.”
Niche say’s out of chaos comes order. Oh blow it out your a#@ Howard.
“post hoc ergo proptor hoc”
OK - I know what the phrase means, but I’m not sure how you intend it to apply to me. I’m not suggesting that our existence here implies or proves design, but I’m saying that nothing about our existence here indicates otherwise. Attributing it all to “deep time” is begging the issue, IMO. In that case, we might as well claim that life started with visitors from outer space. You don’t agree?
Over the time frame from the late Hadean to the present, this becomes sufficient to explain both the diversity within and similarities between the forms of life observed on earth, including both living forms directly observed in the present, and extinct form indirectly observed from the fossil record.
I prefer to think of the Genesis account of Creation as not so mush as a metaphor, but an artistic interpetation of what actually happened. Would it have made any sense for God to have inspired the author of Genesis to write: “Before the existence of space-time, God created a point of infinite singularity which then expanded to make the universe?” It would have been easier to make people believe that the Earth was on the back of a giant turte.
BTW I also like the theory that ethyl alcohol, which exists in space, came to Earth and formed the first organic compounds. Which would mean our earliest ancestor is booze.
Really? How much time are we talking about?
The Hadean Era was the first in Earth history, extending from the first formation of continental crust, which began some time around 4,200 Ma (Goodwin 1991, Condie 1997), becoming persistent soon after, to approximately 3,500 Ma.
This is something you should have learned in Jr. High Science class.
I hope you don’t think I’m just responding off the top of my head, because I find this subject very interesting and I like to hear the opinions of others. I have two questions for ou:
1. How does deep time address diversity?
2) Seems like deep time would dictate that everything evolves along the same time line. But in our world, every component is functional. Why aren’t there substances or organisms that haven’t fully evolved yet. or abnormalities that pop up here and there, as in the monkey typing Hamlet? The deep space theory would indicate that now and then a monkey would, in fact, type Hamlet, but that doesn’t happen. Why?
What has gone on that left you either “beat down” or “energized” - depending on who is talking?
Nice touch, attacking my intelligence. But I can google too. :)
http://www.peripatus.gen.nz/Paleontology/Hadean.html
“The Hadean Era was the first in Earth history, extending from the first formation of continental crust, which began some time around 4,200 Ma (Goodwin 1991, Condie 1997), becoming persistent soon after, to approximately 3,500 Ma.”
A certain someone likes to compare American Christians to bowel movements, the Taliban, etc. When I went after said person for that, they couldn’t hack it and had to call in the mods. Certain mods side with the anti-theists every time, and one of them told me to lay off said person. Said person for some reason thinks that this has got me all beat down and dejected. Said person is heavily influenced by wishful thinking.
“...our earliest ancestor is booze.” I’ll drink to that!
I am in agreement with your assessment, but that means that you are leaning towards the idea that the Bible is myth, not history. Karen Armstrong has a very cogent analysis of this position in her new book, “The Case for God.” Her poistion is similar to my belief - that God is ineffable, and that any attempt to explain Him or His state of being must always be metaphor and myth at the bottom. Myths convey Truths, but are not literal truths.
The idea that all life of this planet began as organic “rocks” is indeed beautifully described by the line that God made Man from mud. When I read all the beautiful concepts in the Bible, I am sorrowful for all those scriptures which have been lost forever in the wars,cultural turmoils, floods and insect infestations of the past 2500 to 300 years.
Grandma!!!!
Given the rate of mutations, and the time involved it is sufficient to explain the diversity of life we see today.
They evolutionary theory does not state everything evolve along the same timeline.
As far as organisms that have not “fully” evolved yet we see that with the continued evolution of anti-biotitic strains of bacteria.
There are some very good resources available if you are truly interested in learning more on this subject.
However the questions you are asking are things you should have learned in High school biology.
She sure is sturdy after all these years!
I wonder if the evos have the slightest inkling how howl-at-the-moon crazy they sound to all but themselves?
As do most democratic strategists and voters.
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