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Marx gets Vatican thumbs up
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article37253.ece ^

Posted on 10/22/2009 7:34:31 AM PDT by kronos77

Amid the worst recession in generations, Karl Marx, who famously described religion as “the opium of the people”, got a thumbs up from the Vatican overturning a century of Catholic hostility to his creed.

Marx, who predicted that capitalism would be destroyed by its internal contradictions, has joined Galileo, Charles Darwin and Oscar Wilde on a growing list of historical figures to have undergone an unlikely reappraisal by the Roman Catholic Church, The Times newspaper said on Thursday.

The British daily, quoting the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, said Marx’s early critiques of capitalism had highlighted the “social alienation” felt by the “large part of humanity” that remained excluded from economic and political decision-making.

Amid signs of recovery in global financial markets, Christian leaders have flayed the capitalist system for displaying a lack of moral values, arguing that ethical debates needs to be given greater prominence.

Georg Sans, a German-born professor of the history of contemporary philosophy at the pontifical Gregorian University, argues that Marx’s work remained especially relevant today as mankind was seeking “a new harmony” between its needs and the natural environment.

The report quoted Prof. Sans as saying that Marx’s theories may help to explain the enduring issue of income inequality within capitalist societies.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; antichristian; bravosierra; capitalism; catholic; communism; inaccurateheadline; karlmarx; liberationtheology; marx; sourcetitlenoturl; vatican; yellowjournalism
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1 posted on 10/22/2009 7:34:32 AM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77
"Marx’s theories may help to explain the enduring issue of income inequality within capitalist societies."

Crap analysis. Viewed in absolute income terms, even the bottom is better off in capitalism, not even counting the personal freedom.

2 posted on 10/22/2009 7:38:03 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Free Parking is what made America Great.)
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To: kronos77

The above is one of the top five reasons I am no longer Catholic.

Too many in the Catholic leadership break the First Commandment by worshiping communism rather than God. And...There is absolutely no way for the ordinary layman to influence reform.


3 posted on 10/22/2009 7:43:15 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: kronos77
said Marx’s early critiques of capitalism had highlighted the “social alienation” felt by the “large part of humanity” that remained excluded from economic and political decision-making.

Hitler said the same things about capitalism, too.

4 posted on 10/22/2009 7:45:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kronos77; Campion
The British daily, quoting the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, said Marx’s early critiques of capitalism had highlighted the “social alienation” felt by the “large part of humanity” that remained excluded from economic and political decision-making.

Ping for later.

5 posted on 10/22/2009 7:46:11 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Alex Murphy
The British daily

Always gotta get a slam in at the church somehow. It's part of being a patriotic Englishman. Besides, them Papists 'r poaching from the C of E, now.

6 posted on 10/22/2009 7:48:42 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: kronos77

Lesson number one: Never trust anything a British paper says about the Vatican.

Lesson number two: Not everything written in the Vatican newspaper is ex cathedra. Basically none of it is.

Nothing to see here. Some Europeans like Marx. Big deal.


7 posted on 10/22/2009 7:49:15 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Paladin2
the “large part of humanity” that remained excluded from economic and political decision-making.

Marx does NOT promote these values. Marx believed in centralized, non-democratic economic and political decision making.

These are democratic values in a FREE society, the OPPOSITE of marxism.

Duh.

What are these people thinking?? Marxism is SO 19th century...


8 posted on 10/22/2009 7:49:57 AM PDT by paulycy (Predatory Pricing = Public Option = Unethical Competition .)
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To: kronos77

A ‘hindu blog’ quotes a British paper quoting a Vatican paper.

One hell of a smoking gun right there. One quote from a lefty prelate (without the cure of souls) two years ago, and suddenly we got headlines like “The Church has decreed eight new cardinal sins and accepts abortion!!!”

Why do I get a weird feeling that this is going to be the same?


9 posted on 10/22/2009 7:50:01 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: kronos77
This is why I no longer attend church, and may in fact leave the Catholic Church entirely. Liberalism is destroying that faith, just like it destroys everything else it touches.
10 posted on 10/22/2009 7:50:39 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason (The DemocRat Party is no longer an American political party.)
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To: kronos77

The Catholic religion is becoming a communist front, much as the Orthodox religion in Russia was.


11 posted on 10/22/2009 7:51:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: Paladin2
"Marx’s theories may help to explain the enduring issue of income inequality within capitalist societies."

Yes, let's ignore Jesus' "theories" in favor of Marx. Dummasses.

"The poor you will always have with you"

12 posted on 10/22/2009 7:51:38 AM PDT by MrB (The only difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Major Matt Mason

The “winnowing” is going on right now.

Join a good, literal bible believing protestant church.


13 posted on 10/22/2009 7:52:39 AM PDT by MrB (The only difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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If Socialism, like all errors, contains some truth (which, moreover, the Supreme Pontiffs have never denied), it is based nevertheless on a theory of human society peculiar to itself and irreconcilable with true Christianity. Religious socialism, Christian socialism, are contradictory terms; no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist. -- Pope Pius XI, Quadragesimo Anno

For anyone who is still confused, let them consider that the words of a Papal encyclical trump anything said by a university professor in a newspaper.

14 posted on 10/22/2009 7:53:31 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: SoothingDave

Exactly. bttt


15 posted on 10/22/2009 7:53:35 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Rush has an army.)
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To: Lazamataz

Horsefeathers.


16 posted on 10/22/2009 7:53:56 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: agere_contra

And so it proves.

“Georg Sans, a German-born professor of the history of contemporary philosophy at the pontifical Gregorian University...”

The man isn’t even a priest. But how many FReepers will declare this the End of the World based on the word of a nobody with no authority? And worse - gleefully repeat this nonsense?


17 posted on 10/22/2009 7:54:57 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Paladin2

The others were not responsible for 150 years of global misery and tens of millions of deaths

Marx was.


18 posted on 10/22/2009 7:55:12 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Brave amateurs....they do their part.)
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To: Major Matt Mason

>>This is why I no longer attend church, and may in fact leave the Catholic Church entirely. Liberalism is destroying that faith, just like it destroys everything else it touches. <<

Did you read “Charity in Truth”?
I’ve just started but I don’t see anything Marxlike. It’s about charity individually. Maybe I’m missing it, but I’m not seeing “Government controlled” charity yet. I’m not going to take the word of the MSM without actually reading the document myself.

I’m not sure where you are but if you need help finding a more conservative parish, Catholic FReepers can help you.


19 posted on 10/22/2009 7:55:49 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Campion
Well I do hope I'm wrong.

But Catholicism has tended to liberalism, and liberalism blurs into socialism.

And socialism is merely communism by the glassful.

20 posted on 10/22/2009 7:55:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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